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I dislike the overview icons :( why change something that wasn't broken. Other than that its ok.

Although they may take some getting used to, I don't mind the new icons.

One objection I hear is that it's now difficult to tell player ships from other items, which I understand. With the old icons, player ships were squares that didn't look like anything else (except perhaps stations which were different enough in various ways to not cause confusion.) While with Carnyx, the triangular player ship icons can look a bit like other non-ship icons, and especially like NPC ship (eg, faction police) icons.

However, that is not an issue whatsoever for me, because of how I set up my overview a long time ago.

http://i.imgur.com/6YxJP9A.png
http://i.imgur.com/PazEX1t.png

I wanted it extremely clear what items in my overview were player-controlled ships. That's all I cared about. I've done that by making sure every ship gets both a colored background and a colored tag. In decreasing order of priority:

Fleetmates are of course purple.
Criminals and suspects get red/yellow so I can tell lowsec targets.
Limited engagement pilots are bright cyan.
Then everything else gets teal. I do this by turning on teal for all standings selections (excellent, good, terrible, bad, neutral and no standing.)
Also, all players get a yellow color tag by default (unless they have some other tag due to criminal status, BFF, etc.)

That's it. I don't care about wars or alliances or bounties. NPSI, after all. :-) (Although for nostalgia's sake, CAS corpies get the default green star. They'll still get shot in low/null of course.) The player ships are easy for me to pick out due to the teal background and yellow colortag. There's no chance for me to confuse the nearby neutral NPC battleships as a player ship, and I can easily tell player ships from celestials, mobile depots, wrecks, and the like.
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Another issue I've heard is the sorting behavior when the icon column is selected. Thinking over it as much as my poor memory allows, I don't think sorting has changed whatsoever. It's always just sorted by two things - type and status. So for types, celestials came first and were sorted into their types (sun, moon, station, etc), then player ships came last and were sorted by status (so in my overview, reds would be grouped, purples were grouped, neutrals grouped, etc.) I don't recall ship classes being sorted in any way, just grouped such that all Machs were together, all Scimitars together, etc.

My theory is that the lack of sorting by ship size or capability is now much more obvious due to the new icons, but the actual sorting algorithms haven't changed at all.

I would certainly like to have the ships in the overview sorted by size, though. Pods, shuttles and frigs on one end of the scale, Titans on the other. With ships then sorted alphabetically by hull name within the size groupings.
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About the 90% scaling issue - this definitely needs to be fixed. It's not a problem for me personally since I use 100% scaling, but the screenshots I've seen look pretty illegible. Whether the best solution is to tweak the scaling / anti-alias algorithms or tweak the icons, I don't know, but something needs to bee done.
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After using the icons more, I'm liking them more. I can look at the grid using my camera drones and get a very good sense of what's going on - what the frigs are doing and how they're moving, were the cruisers are clustered or kiting, how the battleships are positioned, that sort of thing. Many of the issues other people are having aren't issues for me, partly because of the above overview settings I've implemented. Perhaps what I've done can help other people too.

Finally, I have no issue with CCP bringing back the old icons, of course - so long as the new ones remain an option for those people like me who like them.

OK, so, with the first day of the new realease, and the initial cry of "the new icons suck", ccp replied with "wait for 3 days, give it a chance to grow on you". I have never actually posted on the forums here before, never had anything interest me enough that i felt i needed to interupt my game time with posting on some forum, until those icons showed up.

First day of the release, i posted, and have been checking back, looking for Dev replies, which have been very few. So, i spend three days, doing PVE, waiting to see if the new icons would get to that "instinctual" point of recognition that I had with the old ones. Ummm, NO. Didn't happen. Now at least i know that the red mobile depots will attack me, and anything bigger than that might be a battleship, cruiser, or battle cruiser.

I'm still waiting on the a solid reply to these icons which the majority seem to dislike, I've only seen one dev post today. "we don't want to make a kneejerk reaction" What what the kneejerk reaction that prompted the change in the first place? I haven't seen even one reply to that question.

I have this week off from work, was planning on doing a lot of null sec hacking sites, make some isk. With this new set of icons, i haven't risked it.


**edit to fix spelling

If only you had been so circumspect when it came to shipping these UI changes.

Hey CCP.

When can we expect the Dev Blog on Skin's that CCP Falcon promised to have for us FOUR Week ago?
( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5719918#post5720298 )
As you can see from the post above, we were promised a dev blog by "Early Next Week", that was a MONTH ago today. We have got nothing, and CCP Falcon hasn't bothered to update the thread with any explanation, or eta on when we should expect it.

So are we actually going to get this blog? Are we gonna get an explanation? Or is he just allowed to lie to the community on the forums and then ignore us? Cause I donno how you runs things there, but in my business, if I make a promise to a client(s), and fail to deliver, provide an explanation, of even respond, I'd be fired. And it wouldn't take month to reach that point.


*edit*
And it's posted.. \o/

@CCP
You told us that you look at the feedback.

Can you tell witch options you have for the problem with the UI-Icons (looking bad, most players don`t want them)?
How long will it take to bring us a solution with the old Icons ( will it comes in the next days, next update or never)?

I just realized, the new icon for an obelisk or other freighters, looks a lot like a mushroom from mario bros.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSEnjj_mfDGYWpDo3GPkpkFUCiVz7HlRhsMzwBRmlqh3_6lq1RuWbUbCnhmgw

Maybe it is a wording issue, but it feels like you perceive this situation as a kind of a fight.

This is natural for any creative person, but please understand that the players are here not to rub a dev ego. Or, for that matter, to hurt it.

People in the main are not asking you do to a complete u turn we would just like to have the option to use the old icons the same way that we can choose to use the old map verses the new map.

Is there a problem with the game mechanics in being able to offer this option?

At the very least can we have brackets around player ships because jumping into a system at the moment it's very hard on the eyes to distinguish ships from all the other system icons present.A quick look at the ui in the old version allowed you to see a bracket and know instantly that someone was there,now it's really hard work.