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News Icons ( yes there are a LOT of icons that add confusion to the space scene, but others have explained this better than I can )

The most important thing CCP could do with this icon change is to bring back the crosses for NPC's. It is difficult to tell the difference between players and npc when neutral players are grey and npc’s are grey.

NPC's should not be able to be mistaken for players. Ever. Changing the NPC's back to crosses will make it much easier to use the information in the form of new icons CCP have given us.

Having a legend in game, that is easily findable, of what each icon is should be available when such a huge change to the game takes place. Yes, this is a huge change. It effects how we interact with the game when we are in space in our spaceship game.

Now, I do like the idea of giving more information at a glance when in combat. The idea is a good one. The implementation is just off a bit.

For instance, it took me looking at the picture of the new icons someone so generously linked before I even realized NPC's were shaded and players were not shaded. The reason? The icons are small and both npc’s and neutrals are grey.

Possible way to help with this:
Adjust the little circle of color around the icons in space that denotes blues, reds, neutrals, etc. This circle of color needs to be bigger. As it is there just isnt a large enough area for the color to be easily distinguishable on such small icons. Some icons are worse than others like the frigate icon whose inside fill space is very tiny.

So there is no room for misunderstanding. It looks like the idea behind the icon change is to give players more information at a glance. This is a very good idea that I embrace. The implementation just needs tweaked.

One last thing. Bring back the capsule icon. The capsule icon looked like a capsule before the patch. Dont know what that new thing is but it is not a capsule.

While I too would appreciate a more compassionate response from the developers on this subject, it's worth noting that many of them are not native English speakers and the cold brush offs are likely not intended. It's just an unfortunate result of the language barrier.

In general, ya.. but I know several older players who simply can't see the difference anymore. And that makes it much harder.

Indeed.

In reality most of us will still be here long after these Devs have moved on to their next job. Maybe that inequality of investment is one source of the rage. For many of us EVE is a passion, for many of them EVE is a job. For me it is all too easy to respond to damage to EVE like an attack on a loved one, for them it may just be another workplace breakage, another ticket number or another task that must be completed before they get to go home.

I certainly apologize for my part in this unpleasant episode. But it still takes two to tango.

It can be younger players with less than perfect vision that can't tell the difference either.

it doesnt matter what its over, the point is that the game in its current state is unplayable for myself, and for plenty of others judging by this thread.

Ok, try to remember the Akasai battle or check this image, it is about a recent goon event : http://imgur.com/omAP0FI

Yeah sorry, I don't still have a big fight with the new icons set (and I seriously hope I won't have one), and my overview was badly setted (but I will update it as the tabs will partially counter the new icons).

And now by using your imagination power, replace the old drone icon by at least 4 drone icons of the new set, and the ships by the corresponding one of course. And please keep tell us that the new icons are a good idea who permit a fast and efficient analysis of the field. Please, DARE.

Of course, this kind of battle is rare and it is probable that Fozziesov change that, but it is obvious that the new icons are an absolute failure as they transform the field into an terrifying mess.

If you still want to change the icons, then at least try to respect the old way even if you want to use new icons :
- one drone icon, not more
(maybe if you add an option to disable it, you can add a second one to separate warfare/mining drones from fighting drones, as a test)
- one icon for a SIZE of ship, NOT a type, with - why not - colors (but not red) if it is a T2/T3 variant. And - maybe - the exception of the industrial ships who can have ONE specific icon (and I mean one ONLY).
- one icon for containers. Seriously, there is no point to have different icons for each of them.
- and restore the old wreck ones, or at least the old logic.

You can do easier and give us an option or a way to mod the game and so restore the old icons. Your call, but don't be surprised of consequences if you keep the new ones and do nothing. Even for CCP, there is a time that you should stop being pride of bad choices.

I sincerely hope that my suggestion of customizing our brackets/icons per ship/item class is on the table, and keeping the old icons as part of that. I'm 100% sure I wasn't the first to propose it because that would be silly.

So in other words, your test was to jump in to the worst case immediately and then complain that it was bad.

OK.

I've eased myself in, because that's the sensible thing to do when confronted with a new icon set.



OK, so have one icon for "player ship" and be done with it? For me, that would be better than the old way, because as I mentioned, I couldn't rely on the old player ship icons at all.

The new icons don't have all the information. For my money they do a much, much better job of communicating hull size and general category, which is what they're supposed to do..

If I didn't care I wouldn't post. Try harder.