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Carnyx release - General feedback

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Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1941 - 2015-06-21 17:26:01 UTC
Constantin Makanen wrote:
Steijn wrote:
From a personal point of view, the sandbox was fine for 6 years even with the industry changes which made me completely change how I played the game so dont try coming along with the 'you arent willing to change' crap.


You dont fail by changing, but at accepting and to invest into the future.


I personally will not continue to invest in something that no longer works.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1942 - 2015-06-21 17:31:40 UTC
Constantin Makanen wrote:
Steijn wrote:
ah so making a proper argumentative case FOR the icons now changes into trying to make fun of someone because you cant find any constructive answers to my points.


My point was, still is and always will be. Test it in the long term.
Also its work in progress, so its not the final release, so please stop acting like a brat.

Nobody knows how it will look in the end.

Steijn wrote:
Not trying for a job at CeeCeePee are you?


lol
Thats already the second accusation of this type.


The icons wasn't a work in progress until everybody started complaining about them even though they knew they didn't work from the feedback they received off of SISI.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Eke Patang
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1943 - 2015-06-21 17:32:59 UTC
The work in progress is just going to be a way for us to be able customise these eyesores into something as close as we can get to the old system.

You really couldn't make this up What?
Kesta De'Kranken
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1944 - 2015-06-21 17:38:29 UTC
Constantin Makanen wrote:
[quote=Kesta De'Kranken]

First quitting the subscription and than be upset about dropping numbers of players. You are a genius.


NO. You missed the point. I'm HOPING they fail due to falling subscriptions. It's the ONLY way they will realize they screwed up.
Constantin Makanen
#1945 - 2015-06-21 17:43:05 UTC
Kesta De'Kranken wrote:
NO. You missed the point. I'm HOPING they fail due to falling subscriptions. It's the ONLY way they will realize they screwed up.



There goes our great community..
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1946 - 2015-06-21 17:46:17 UTC
I have been active in the split off thread in regards to the icons as the main general thread is too noisy to make any decent headway in. But here I am.

Yes, the 90% issue needs a fix fast as does the colour blind. Yes I like the logic of the new sets and think it is more in the details of the implemntation that in the change itself.

A lot of the reaction is from people who have almsot automated their responses over the years to tge old ways and object to being asked to learn a new set. IF it is visible (90% and colour) and if it has an internal logic then I am ok with the change

Oh and drones need to look less like ships

​m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1947 - 2015-06-21 17:47:05 UTC
Kesta De'Kranken wrote:
Constantin Makanen wrote:
[quote=Kesta De'Kranken]

First quitting the subscription and than be upset about dropping numbers of players. You are a genius.


NO. You missed the point. I'm HOPING they fail due to falling subscriptions. It's the ONLY way they will realize they screwed up.


I doubt Eve will die as it's still a great game, it just no longer works for some of us so we was forced to move on and I'm sure others will replace us over time and I hope that is true as I do still love this game but I can no longer play it.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
#1948 - 2015-06-21 17:47:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Cleanse Serce
Alea wrote:
No they didn't listen as they went ahead and put the icons on TQ knowing that they didn't work from the feedback they received from SISI so now CCP is trying to find a way for them to work for everybody and during that period of time I will not continue to give them money.

If they rollback that's good, if they make the old icons an option even better as there are a few who do like them but if the new icons stay I'm not going to play any longer and I'm OK with that as I had a blast since 2003.


I'm agree they should've not released it yet.
But still it's out.
And they listened since they gonna make improvements on next release.

Alea wrote:
If they rollback that's good, if they make the old icons an option even better as there are a few who do like them but if the new icons stay I'm not going to play any longer and I'm OK with that as I had a blast since 2003.


If you quit the game because they were unprofessional by releasing the feature that soon, i can understand.
If you quit the game because you want your dear icones back, i don't, and honestly, you're a good riddance.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#1949 - 2015-06-21 17:48:33 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Rio Bravo wrote:
How are the Icons 'Overflowing with information'? It's an Icon, not a 200 word essay.


Relatively, it is filled with tons of redundant information like chevrons and other miscellanea on the base chosen concept of the triangle for spaceships and drones, all this information needs to be read, whereas previously only the obvious sizing for ships and a completely contrasting symbol - the slanted cross, or "X" for drones was of concern. Smile

For casual activities & travel this system may be fine, but for PvP it is not.

Of course, people will adapt: combat pacing of certain engagement types & sizes will also adapt to this, but it will be a different EVE.

It is curious to note that a system, which had been regarded as a stream-lining venture for the benefit of the players' situational awareness & response times, actually turned out to be another layer of complexity, which can't be circumvented. Smile

Panterata wrote:
What is SISI? I playing from 8 years and never heard about that SISI


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=271

Singularity Test Server. Smile

...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤

[WTS] ME10 / TE20 BPOs from Battleships/Cruisers to Fighters, Carriers, Triage/Siege, XL modules & Cap Components
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1950 - 2015-06-21 17:55:10 UTC
Cleanse Serce wrote:


If you quit the game because you want your dear icones back, i don't, and honestly, you're a good riddance.


I quit because the game is now unplayable for me, I have endured years and years of changes but this change is a game breaker for me so I really have no other choice but to move on.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1951 - 2015-06-21 18:09:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Panterata
I think we must clear something here. Everyone note that the new icons are ugly.

But majority of the ppl here are screaming only the for the PVP and PVE icons which must be like to old once

No one cares about the new icons for belts, stations, gates, start etc etc

So I don't see where is the problem CCP to fix only these icons. You just need to make - [ ] for all classes ships and crosses for the all npc ships
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
#1952 - 2015-06-21 18:11:26 UTC
Panterata wrote:
I think we must clear something here. Everyone note that the new icons are ugly.

But majority of the ppl here are screaming only the for the PVP and PVE icons which must be like to old once

No one cares about the new icons for belts, stations, gates, start etc etc


Everyone ?
Majority ?
No one ?

What are your sources ?
Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1953 - 2015-06-21 18:13:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Panterata
Cleanse Serce wrote:
Panterata wrote:
I think we must clear something here. Everyone note that the new icons are ugly.

But majority of the ppl here are screaming only the for the PVP and PVE icons which must be like to old once

No one cares about the new icons for belts, stations, gates, start etc etc


Everyone ?
Majority ?
No one ?

What are your sources ?


yes
yes
yes

The source is from the page 1 - 98 of this thread
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
#1954 - 2015-06-21 18:17:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Cleanse Serce
Panterata wrote:
yes
yes
yes

The source is from the page 1 - 98 of this thread


Let's just imagine that those 1.953 replys in this very Thread is 1 single player from Eve Online, each and every post are from 1 single player different from one another.

Then let's imagine that each and every single post in this very Thread are all demanding CCP to roll back or complaining about the changes.

That makes 1.953 players out of 32.627 players online right now as i'm writing this.
Let's now divide that number by 3 to deal with "alts" = That's still onlu 11.000 people.

That's not everyone.
That's not the majority.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#1955 - 2015-06-21 18:19:27 UTC
Cleanse Serce wrote:
Panterata wrote:
I think we must clear something here. Everyone note that the new icons are ugly.

But majority of the ppl here are screaming only the for the PVP and PVE icons which must be like to old once

No one cares about the new icons for belts, stations, gates, start etc etc


Everyone ?
Majority ?
No one ?

What are your sources ?



Mmmm.... there was a survey in Russian land showing pretty much everyone of them hated the icons. Everyone i know hates the icons. Of all the responses I have seen on the english forums there are only a few fanibois such as yourself whiteknighting CCP's broken content. SO admittedly its still anecdotal, but in the absence of one of CCP's own surveys, the proof is pretty clear, the icons suck. and beyond sucking are game breaking for many, myself included.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
#1956 - 2015-06-21 18:22:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Cleanse Serce
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Mmmm.... there was a survey in Russian land showing pretty much everyone of them hated the icons. Everyone i know hates the icons. Of all the responses I have seen on the english forums there are only a few fanibois such as yourself whiteknighting CCP's broken content. SO admittedly its still anecdotal, but in the absence of one of CCP's own surveys, the proof is pretty clear, the icons suck. and beyond sucking are game breaking for many, myself included.


I've already responsed to you.
1 single survey in a Russian-speaking forum do not represent the whole Eve Online players.

That's one group of players
among one froum community
among the Russian-speaking community
among the Eve Onlinbe community.

It's like saying "if MERICA thinks something, then the whole planet Earth thinks the same."

PLUS

People that are not satisfied with something are more likely to say they are not statisfied.
People that are satisfied with something are less likely to express this satisfaction.

As if you're banker would call you as much to talk about your overdrawn account as he would to talk about your positiv account.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#1957 - 2015-06-21 18:22:27 UTC
Cleanse Serce wrote:
Panterata wrote:
yes
yes
yes

The source is from the page 1 - 98 of this thread


Let's just imagine that those 1.953 replys in this very Thread is 1 single player from Eve Online, each and every post are from 1 single player different from one another.

Then let's imagine that each and every single post in this very Thread are all demanding CCP to roll back or complaining about the changes.

That makes 1.953 players out of 32.627 players online right now as i'm writing this.
Let's now divide that number by 3 to deal with "alts" = That's still onlu 11.000 people.

That's not everyone.
That's not the majority.


Usually the most dedicated, invested players respond on the forums. The ones who aren't so dedicated, when they get frustrated with a game they just log off and dont return. Hmm, I wonder why we have lower subscription numbers and concurrent users then in the past?

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#1958 - 2015-06-21 18:23:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Vol Arm'OOO
Cleanse Serce wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Mmmm.... there was a survey in Russian land showing pretty much everyone of them hated the icons. Everyone i know hates the icons. Of all the responses I have seen on the english forums there are only a few fanibois such as yourself whiteknighting CCP's broken content. SO admittedly its still anecdotal, but in the absence of one of CCP's own surveys, the proof is pretty clear, the icons suck. and beyond sucking are game breaking for many, myself included.


I've already responsed to you.
1 single survey in a Russian-speaking forum do not represent the whole Eve Online players.

That's one group of players
among one froum community
among the Russian-speaking community
among the Eve Onlinbe community.



So do a survey and prove us wrong. Your one faiboi against the tide. So by your logic your points are irrelevant. I guess your right... Your one person with an obviously aberrant view point. You should be ignored.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
#1959 - 2015-06-21 18:32:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Cleanse Serce
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Usually the most dedicated, invested players respond on the forums. The ones who aren't so dedicated, when they get frustrated with a game they just log off and dont return. Hmm, I wonder why we have lower subscription numbers and concurrent users then in the past?


Just as the most satisfied ones won't come here to express their joy.
As far as subscription numbers are concerned you still have no numbers to prove your statement.

Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
So do a survey and prove us wrong. Your one faiboi against the tide. So by your logic your points are irrelevant. I guess your right... Your one person with an obviously aberrant view point. You should be ignored.


I don't need to, CCP will keep the changes as it is, but i might've done something if they had fall on their knees to some whinings. I'm glad they're smarter than that.

Yeah, as long as a point do not fit with yours that's aberrant and it should be ignored.

So if i would act like you, and think like you, i would say that everybody that is not satisfied with the changes is intolerant and close minded ?
I'm glad to have had parents who taught me anything.
Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1960 - 2015-06-21 18:32:28 UTC
Cleanse Serce wrote:
Panterata wrote:
yes
yes
yes

The source is from the page 1 - 98 of this thread


Let's just imagine that those 1.953 replys in this very Thread is 1 single player from Eve Online, each and every post are from 1 single player different from one another.

Then let's imagine that each and every single post in this very Thread are all demanding CCP to roll back or complaining about the changes.

That makes 1.953 players out of 32.627 players online right now as i'm writing this.
Let's now divide that number by 3 to deal with "alts" = That's still onlu 11.000 people.

That's not everyone.
That's not the majority.


You know that can be check easy.

You can ask 32 627 players personally and make a statistic

For myself you can see that I write in the forums very rare. Only on this thread I writing a lot. And if I'm writing this mean definitely something is wrong with the game