EVE General Discussion

You were already told in this very thread what to do if it was as imbalanced as you say. You already know the drill. Get overwhelming control over it and then tell CCP to nerf you.

Form 3+ fleet for every incursion and show them how much it break the game when 120+ player from null sec make that much ISK. Since incursion also have a rather low risk level, there is no problem for an entity recognized for it's ability to get things rolling with unmatched efficiency.

Show us, glorious Imperium, how broken it is.

And yet, null still sucks.

Holy s**t, people's creativity never ceases to amaze me. On a second thought this passive income is huge and it's most likely affecting the whole player base. Like someone said in the video - 20 PLEX for just 1 player, and there must be a lot more multiboxers out there, so they are affecting both PLEX prices and the market as a whole by pouring all that ISK into them.

I guess there's no limit except your hardware and will to go for more than 20 accounts...I've also got alts, but I am doing it the old fashioned way - alt tabbing through windows, this is on a whole new level.

Because all that freighter and hulk/industrial ganking was really all about highsec commerce interdiction and not "greifing" which goons like to do.

It's actually a legitimate objective to control a market with guns - Eve is built for that. It was intended. But the goons like to make it all about "griefing" to cover the whole subject in sperging "p!ss and vinegar" and take the fun out of it.

You see the goons have to win at Eve in order to wreck it. It's genius on CCPs part that they got the goons having to play the same game as anybody else. But the goons have the numbers for it.

So to see goons wanting highsec incursions nerfed because they cannot run the same interdiction on them as they do commerce is a bit of a letdown. Shows me that, as some long time and higher up goons have admitted to me privately, the days of "OMG! Bees!" are waning and the goons have grown fat and complacent in their dotage on tech moons.

Sad thing is they have given up and started whining too soon. I can't think of any bling boat that's going to stand up to say half a dozen blaster hyperions.

So anything not NS is broken. LOL.

Maybe its NS that is broken...

If you're using incursions as the benchmark, it would make everything else look broken. Even wormhole PvE, which has ludicrous rewards, is at least balanced by risk factor.

So we can fix a dozen or more other things, or we can nerf incursions in some way. I would ask you which one makes better game design sense to you, but you invalidated your opinion on that one with your inflation comments earlier.

I play solo so don't run incursions, but...

It bugs me when players can't see past their personal game.
There are over 500,000 accounts with at least over 100,000 players.

You should be able to find something to do in game without changing someone Else's.

It's also funny you said you run them and for some reason can't stop yourself from running them.
Just pretend they're gone and make new friends that don't run incursions.

This is the kind of lie people need to tell themselves when they want to ignore an unpleasant reality. The bolded part is the tell, meaning this poster probably profits from the imbalances under discussion. The underlined bit is a common theme: people defending a broken status quo don't even have much experience with the broken things being discussed, but still feel confident enough to have an opinion about it.

It's not about taking something from someone, it's about a proper balance, one in which people who live in certain places aren't punished (rather than rewarded) for taking risks. High Sec incursions as currently constituted reward people for not taking risks, and no matter how you cut it, that's bad game design.

Its not bias, its experience. I have done every one of those events you listed, and cycle through them repeatedly. Except incursions, because I don't like to wait. I entered into 1 incursion group and it took the FC almost an hour to get his fleet sorted, and I said **** this and left....that was my incursion experience.

Secondly I don't hate NS, I have made a ton of ISK from NS. Pirate L4s which you so conveniently left off your list generate more isk/hr than some of the events you included on your list, namely L4s, and occasionally FW Missions. Also missing from your list is C6 WH Anoms which are by and far the number 1 source of making ISK in the game,600-1B/hr depending how you run them. **** you can make 130M/hr in a ******* Venture doing Gas sites.

Third in regards to FW missions, these generate isk 100% dependent on what the FW scene is like, and in a bomber the only way you are banging out isk without any real risk of loss (or warping in/out) is by flying with Minmatar against Amarr, any other choice gives you Damps from Gallente, Jams from Caldari, TPs from Minmatar. Amarr is viable in an SB because they TD which is useless against Missiles.


So your comparison is to what exactly, you have yet to actually state just what these PVE events are compared against.

- Its clearly not against C4,5,6 WH Income
- Its clearly not against Pirate Faction L4s
- Its clearly not against each other (they all generate relatively the same end result isk/hr unless under IDEAL circumstance, in which case Incursions pull ahead, but are dependent on having a fleet.)

This leaves Anoms and DED sites, and since NS has the highest cap for these, then process of elimination dictates this is what YOU not me, are comparing them to.

Of course the rest of your post goes on to explain more in detail about your thought process and that in fact it is NS you are comparing to.

Guess what I agree, Sov NS in particular needs to have some help in its PVE situation. But that does not mean it needs to come at the expense of Incursions, let alone the now 4 PVE events you claim to be out of balance. The only out of balance PVE is NS Anoms, and DED sites, heck even LS DED sites could use a pass.

I am a PVE player, I have done it all, and routinely do it all, except incursions, and I can tell you with experience that any of those events you call out of balance, are perfectly fine when compared to other "end game" PVE events.

Please stop trying to blow smoke up my ass.

Oh and for the record, I also make more isk/hr manufacturing than any PVE event you listed can touch, 100% risk free, should we nerf production too?