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Battleship Fights

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Agent Unknown
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#61 - 2015-02-23 20:56:58 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Just go for even bigger things. Like carriers.


I just cooked up a titan with 3au warp speed, align time that isnt terrible and able to blap subcaps. If only I had the isk to throw at a project this stupidSad


I can only assume it is a leviathan as that doesn't have the "Turrets fitted to this ship will do reduced damage to small targets" bit.

I was considering buying a Ragnarok to alpha battleships but they nerfed titan guns Sad


If a BS is sitting still you can nearly volley them off the field with a sieged dread. On SiSi my navy domi died in 4 shots from a Naglfar (I forgot the all important prop mod...)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#62 - 2015-02-24 03:16:30 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
I hear the unironic raven is a thing.


Raven is so much fun, everything dives into scram range to kill it.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#63 - 2015-02-24 03:23:21 UTC
I have been in a Nightmare fleet recently.

Trouble is speed, firstly.
They are so slow you mostly used them for defense or supporting a capital fight. Align and warp speeds.
Then a T3 has the same eHP, is faster and has a lower signature radius.

So, other than POS bashing .... what use are they?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#64 - 2015-02-24 03:33:37 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I have been in a Nightmare fleet recently.

Trouble is speed, firstly.
They are so slow you mostly used them for defense or supporting a capital fight. Align and warp speeds.
Then a T3 has the same eHP, is faster and has a lower signature radius.

So, other than POS bashing .... what use are they?


tank, firepower, bumping caps, heavy cyno, fleet flagship, emergency logi, ammo bin, fleet scout, anchor ship, sniper, firewall, prober, moral booster, heavy ECM, absorber of bombs.
Liam Inkuras
Wildcard.
Boundary Experts
#65 - 2015-02-24 04:39:09 UTC
Phig Neutron wrote:
While we're complaining, how about the cost of them! An Armageddon used to be 50 million, and now it's nearly 200 mil. I understand the idea of "tiericide" was to boost all those frigates that everyone never flew again after the tutorials, and all the cruisers that weren't the one or two best of each race. It seems that they went the opposite way with battleships -- nerf them all and triple the price of the cheaper ones.

Also: HACs were "ruining EVE" long before T3s. When they nerf T3s the game will still be mostly HACs-Online. I would still throw caution to the wind and take out battleships against HACs (spider tanking used to work well) but the cost is unbelievable now.

Machariels also used to cost 1bill, yet today they cost 500mill. I fail to see your point

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

Aiwha
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#66 - 2015-02-24 05:46:05 UTC
Faction battleships work just fine in the current meta since they've got highslots for firewall smartbombs.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Caleb Seremshur
Mortis Angelus
The morgue.
#67 - 2015-02-24 06:35:31 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Phig Neutron wrote:
While we're complaining, how about the cost of them! An Armageddon used to be 50 million, and now it's nearly 200 mil. I understand the idea of "tiericide" was to boost all those frigates that everyone never flew again after the tutorials, and all the cruisers that weren't the one or two best of each race. It seems that they went the opposite way with battleships -- nerf them all and triple the price of the cheaper ones.

Also: HACs were "ruining EVE" long before T3s. When they nerf T3s the game will still be mostly HACs-Online. I would still throw caution to the wind and take out battleships against HACs (spider tanking used to work well) but the cost is unbelievable now.

Machariels also used to cost 1bill, yet today they cost 500mill. I fail to see your point


I wonder why that is...

A lot of faction stuff has been dropping in price? time to invest now before the big sov changes?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#68 - 2015-02-24 06:42:55 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Phig Neutron wrote:
While we're complaining, how about the cost of them! An Armageddon used to be 50 million, and now it's nearly 200 mil. I understand the idea of "tiericide" was to boost all those frigates that everyone never flew again after the tutorials, and all the cruisers that weren't the one or two best of each race. It seems that they went the opposite way with battleships -- nerf them all and triple the price of the cheaper ones.

Also: HACs were "ruining EVE" long before T3s. When they nerf T3s the game will still be mostly HACs-Online. I would still throw caution to the wind and take out battleships against HACs (spider tanking used to work well) but the cost is unbelievable now.

Machariels also used to cost 1bill, yet today they cost 500mill. I fail to see your point

Man, the alliance is getting of cheap with the reimbursible machariels now, then

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Bo Bojangles
Interstellar Renegades
#69 - 2015-02-24 14:14:56 UTC
Cruiser hulls seem by far the favorite in Eve nullsec pvp, and that's just fine, but there's no reason to leave battleships where they are. I love my BS's and when they knocked down their warp speed to 2au/s, it killed the game for me and I went afk for a year and stopped subscribing altogether for another. It had been my favorite hull, but I'd never flown anything that slow in Eve before.

See I'm not a dependable roamer anymore. Just had too many 50+ jump roams with too few targets to make it worth it. With BS's though, the roam comes to you. Sure you're at a disadvantage because of the state of BS's, but at least you don't have to jump gates all night.

I took my Vargur out into a dangerous pipe yesterday to do a plex. I didn't care. Bored, I halfway wanted the baddies to find me, or at least get to say that I'd take a shiney ship anywhere to do anything, despite my somewhat humble finances. The tank was good and it lasted up until their Curse arrived and then some, my own slapdash rescue party ineffective.

My max skilled Warrior II's flailed away at the lone Ares tackle, scoring hits only 17% of the time. The Ares never got under 80% shields, my neut unable to quite reach him. That MWD sig radius combined with the WD bonus makes them immune to any BS defenses while orbiting beyond neut range. He could have kept me there all night. I think that if a BS's defenses can't kill an orbiting frigate, they should eventually be able to drive it away.

BS's should be more of a formidable opponent, and not simply a cow set out to slaughter.
M1k3y Koontz
Stay Feral Mining Logistics and Manufacturing
Stay Feral
#70 - 2015-02-24 15:07:37 UTC
Kestral Anneto wrote:
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
I feel your pain Sad

At the moment, the big problem is Bombers. Those tubby, slow-moving battleships make wonderful targets to swarming wings of bombers, whereas the faster, smaller-sigged (and in the case of T3's equally-tough) cruisers are less vulnerable. People still use Battleships (as do we from time to time), but til the threat of bombs recedes a little, they are going to rarely be a mainstay


maybe battleships should have a point defense system, that would give the ship a chance of shooting the bomb before it detonates.


New roll for defender missiles.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.

Kiandoshia
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#71 - 2015-02-24 18:54:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
BS will see use again when T3s and the ishtar finally get their nerfes.


I am waiting for that day.

I will build a little shrine. Is CCP selling model Ishtars? I could use some to burn as an offering.
Caleb Seremshur
Mortis Angelus
The morgue.
#72 - 2015-02-25 00:50:54 UTC
Well the sp grind merry go round had to have something to justify itself and encouraging the entirety of nullsec to train sentries would have been much harder without a minimum of 25d + 20d + hac training level per person × 60k players or so. That's a lot of revenue and surely anyone with a brain would do the same thing if it was their own business.

And prior to that was carrier blobs which I am tangentially skilling up now which means approximately a whole YEAR of skilling to use effectively particularly once you consider logi5 being 30d alone.

So no we haven't seen the end of ishtars online and we won't until the rate of people skilling up drones declines due to already being maxed out.
Kestral Anneto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#73 - 2015-02-28 22:31:27 UTC
So, given that CCP officially thinks that Battleships are fine the way they are, that they dont need a rework or anything. They are fine with the current variation of ships used in PvP (even though in the very same blog they announced nerfs because of tengu and ishtar spam, but were not allowed to notice that)

So given this, how would we go about changing there mind? As I'm hoping that CCP will listen to reason on this.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#74 - 2015-02-28 22:38:08 UTC
Kestral Anneto wrote:
So, given that CCP officially thinks that Battleships are fine the way they are, that they dont need a rework or anything. They are fine with the current variation of ships used in PvP (even though in the very same blog they announced nerfs because of tengu and ishtar spam, but were not allowed to notice that)

So given this, how would we go about changing there mind? As I'm hoping that CCP will listen to reason on this.



Fly more battleships. Lose them. Get completely owned in them. That will show CCP how much they need buffs.

Okay, that was sarcasm.

You know what will really really show CCP how much they need to buff BS? Just don't ever fly battleships. Never ever. Ever. At all. Don't even train for them.

That way, when you never fly them and don't even have the skills to fly them, everyone will always listen to you about how much they need buffs.

Dammit. Sarcasm strikes again. I gotta stop that.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

Kestral Anneto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#75 - 2015-02-28 22:41:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Kestral Anneto
Glathull wrote:


Fly more battleships. Lose them. Get completely owned in them. That will show CCP how much they need buffs.

Okay, that was sarcasm.

You know what will really really show CCP how much they need to buff BS? Just don't ever fly battleships. Never ever. Ever. At all. Don't even train for them.

That way, when you never fly them and don't even have the skills to fly them, everyone will always listen to you about how much they need buffs.

Dammit. Sarcasm strikes again. I gotta stop that.


I would fly battleships, i WANT to fly battleships, but between the ridiculas warp time (I can litrally go for a bio break while im warping across the bigger systems) and bomber spam, i may as well sit at Jita undock in a pimped golem.
Asking for the biggest sub-cap ship, which is supposed to be the most powerful ship, to actually BE the most powerful ship, isn't asking for to much.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#76 - 2015-02-28 22:50:22 UTC
Okay. Okay. If everybody's flying these T3s...who's flying the bombers again? I can't tell you the last time I saw a BS killmail with a pack of hounds doing the damage. The last Hound I saw on a killmail was the victim.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.

Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#77 - 2015-02-28 22:53:23 UTC
Kestral Anneto wrote:
Glathull wrote:


Fly more battleships. Lose them. Get completely owned in them. That will show CCP how much they need buffs.

Okay, that was sarcasm.

You know what will really really show CCP how much they need to buff BS? Just don't ever fly battleships. Never ever. Ever. At all. Don't even train for them.

That way, when you never fly them and don't even have the skills to fly them, everyone will always listen to you about how much they need buffs.

Dammit. Sarcasm strikes again. I gotta stop that.


I would fly battleships, i WANT to fly battleships, but between the ridiculas warp time (I can litrally go for a bio break while im warping across the bigger systems) and bomber spam, i may as well sit at Jita undock in a pimped golem.
Asking for the biggest sub-cap ship, which is supposed to be the most powerful ship, to actually BE the most powerful ship, isn't asking for to much.


So what you are saying is that you don't fly Battleships. Great. We've established that.

Why should anyone listen to you complain about Battleships when you don't even fly the damn things?

Jesus. My sarcasm was right the first time around.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

Vyl Vit
#78 - 2015-02-28 22:54:44 UTC
Surely you know MMOs are filled with 1337s who "know" everything, then proceed to list truisms they heard from somebody who heard from somebody....the idea being, "I'm the fountain of information. Ain't I meta?" All I see here are rumors, truisms and untested theory being asserted as fact.

If you're in a corp that, or have "buds" that do "small-ship roams," then guess what. The BS isn't a "small ship." T3 cruisers pass for small ships, but they're really the BS of the small-ship pvp. If you want to use a BS, then don't run with people who do small ship roams. Problem solved. I'm still chuckling at the idea of a Vindicator falling to a Tengu. I guess it can happen, but there must be a bit of stupidity involved.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Kestral Anneto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#79 - 2015-02-28 23:11:33 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
Surely you know MMOs are filled with 1337s who "know" everything, then proceed to list truisms they heard from somebody who heard from somebody....the idea being, "I'm the fountain of information. Ain't I meta?" All I see here are rumors, truisms and untested theory being asserted as fact.

If you're in a corp that, or have "buds" that do "small-ship roams," then guess what. The BS isn't a "small ship." T3 cruisers pass for small ships, but they're really the BS of the small-ship pvp. If you want to use a BS, then don't run with people who do small ship roams. Problem solved. I'm still chuckling at the idea of a Vindicator falling to a Tengu. I guess it can happen, but there must be a bit of stupidity involved.


well every fleet i've been on that SHOULD be using battleships (as in 100+ people) is using ishtars and tengu's. I very much doubt the FC would be very pleased if i undocked in a raven or an apoc.
and to Glathull, I do fly BS's, but only in PvE, not PvP where i WANT to, as do a lot of people I've spoken to , but a gang of about 5 or 6 BS's will get rofl-stomped by a blob.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#80 - 2015-02-28 23:16:32 UTC
Kestral Anneto wrote:
Glathull wrote:


Fly more battleships. Lose them. Get completely owned in them. That will show CCP how much they need buffs.

Okay, that was sarcasm.

You know what will really really show CCP how much they need to buff BS? Just don't ever fly battleships. Never ever. Ever. At all. Don't even train for them.

That way, when you never fly them and don't even have the skills to fly them, everyone will always listen to you about how much they need buffs.

Dammit. Sarcasm strikes again. I gotta stop that.


Some junky stuff.



I just gave your character 500 million ISK. Go buy a battleship or two and fit them right. Go get them blown up. Then come back here and tell us all how battleships suck ass.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon