Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think fighter assist should stay. Just make it to where you have to be X Km off of a station or POS like with the cyno fields. If you get to close, the fighters instantly return OR deactivate on the field forcing the carrier pilot to go reconnect with them on that grid. As others have stated, fighter assist is one of the coolest features in EVE to me. If I ever decided to fly carriers, that would be the first thing I'd do. Sadly, there's no real point to flying them in Providence.

Hey CCP drop my SP in Fighter skill to free.
Not needed cuz we have Geckoz.

Remove assist completely. It's not constructively useful anyway.

I have one question for CCP :

Do you have think to ALL implication of this nerf ? Stop read people who cry . Just use your brain, and said to me you have validate all implication :

-Less mineral/salvage produce
-Less active account (yes carrier alt will be remove, you lost a lot of account).
-Less Capital/Supercapital : Why people use capital after this ? Only to hit structure... but you have already nerf life of structure, so it's useless now. Remote ? maybe. So less carrier means less dread, less carier ad dread, less supecarrier... and less super carrier less titan.
-You kill an important part of the game play. Kill capital means kill long term planification of massive operation (engage a cap/super cap fleet cost a lot, it's easier to engage 1000 frigate as engage 100 carrier.)
-Important pve nerf, less isk inflation.
-Don't change a lot of thing for pvp , people just stop to use carrier, they don't send it on anom, less carrier kill to because people can"t bump and kill carrier/MS who sen fighter in assist. (YES actually you can kill they ... try to cyno some dream and it's magical you kill carrier before he can go on is pos).
- You overpowered afk cloacker ... one of the unique actual counter is to have people with "skynet " on belt/pve to afraid they.




So With all this element, dear CCP i propose you some interesting thing:
Change your indicator. Try to seduce people with only pew pew frigate.cruiser size is bad : at long term people just go to other pvp game. Why eve work ? Because you have community who can plainly long term action with big ship, you can have a true advantage to economical advantage: have big ship, but you want to nerf all big ship. And if big ship can only kill big ship : no interest to produce it.
League of Frigate is the futur name of eve , don't worry be happy.

How yo avoid this ?
- Make a weapon general nerf : if a S class weapon attack M class, degat must be divided by 2. L => 4, XL=> 8
If a M classe weapon attack S =>1, L=>2,XL=4
ect... (and yes suicide banking become more difficult, but you know you have a ship specializes do kill big ship: BOMBER)

Why this change ? To create more pvp strategy and opportunity, YES it are here to tackle not to kill after this. Yes a carrier can't now assign fighter... but you can't kill they just with 30 inty who orbit near.

Remove possibility of perma clocking : You have a clock fatigue: you win 1 sec of cloak fatigue each second cloak. The fatigue is not effective if you don't have 4H of fatigue, when you have 4H of fatigue you can't clock for 4 H.

Remove off grid bonus, and you can't give bonus cloack .

So yes apply my idea and you can remove fighter assist .

I was abusing this my self and also died to this too many times. This is great! some carebears will be dll about it coz they won't be able to asign fighters to theire ratting sub caps any more tho.

But still cool : ) they will not warp into your safe any more and we won't see any trap bait thana with 7k dps scrams and webs ^^

But as much they should not be able to fallow a target in warp they should be able to fallow a carrier/super in warp! so you will not forget those drones in space!!


All for the better. i like this chane very much

I'd rather just see a killmail generated for fighters, and call it a day.
Other than not getting a killmail when one dies, fighters are fine the way they are.

The problem with the delegation mechanic is it is incredibly buggy and there still are multiple exploits or "clever use of game mechanics" that you can use to give you a significant advantage while assisting your drones, even if you were prevented from doing it on grid with a station or POS.

1. It's possible to get a Thanatos to "hard-to-probe" status by using another "hard-to-probe" Tengu with Remote ECCM. Spurs on the Thanatos and use of X-Instinct. (By "hard-to-probe" I mean the requirement of a max skilled covert ops character with some virtue implants required to probe the Thanatos/Tengu pair). Which makes it close to invulnerable and outside repercussions for the vast majority of gangs unless they specifically know what you're doing and bring Virtue Implants or an incredibly specific fit tengu into your space (risking more than your carriers net-worth), even then, it's possible for you to be aligned out to a POS with refit to WCS in your cargo in the event you get tackled, and RLML fitted on your booster Tengu, in a cynojammed system, making a black ops drop from multiple bombers and back-up recons (all of which you can scout) the only realistic means for your death. If you lose the Tengu+Thanatos and your implant set it still comes into around 2 billion isk ballpark if thanatos is uninsured. Which given what the other people have to field to have a fairly realistic chance of actually catching and killing you (which isn't guranteed) is marginal.

2. Fighters assigned to ships do not agress the ships using them. Unless CCP manages to bug-fix this aspect, this still makes ridiculous things possible such as fighters assigned to double 1600 plate covert ops, nullified subsystem t3s which sit on a gate with anchored bubbles and never aggress and just put fighters on people, jumping out as soon as they lose their 600,000 EHP to almost complete safety.

3. You can take 1) even further by burning a Confessor/Svipul with 10mn MWD in speed mode to the edge of a deadspace pocket in a complex (or a mission in npc 0.0), then setting up there, bringing your carrier 2-3km into the deadspace pocket and requiring even a snaked linked malediction <30minutes to burn to your thanatos if they probe out the plex, which you can easily just type "07 to ur t00nie" into local when it gets below 1000km on dir scanner and warp out.

4. Delegated fighters still fight while a Carrier is in warp so you can easily just assist your fighters to ships, then engage in a long warp to a friendly POS and your fighters will continue to fight while you're in warp and in complete invulnerability landing in the center of a safe POS when you land.

5. offline POS can be used (as they are done currently, right now with skynet/supers) with passwords entered and ready to go online to bypass CCP's current forcefield exclusion zone mechanics.


The problem isn't so much the ships used. As using a 400k EHP abaddon that never agresses with mwd+mmjd+ecm burst+cloak would still be possible with the beacon mechanic, costing 40 million isk after insurance if it dies, with the very likely possibility that it can escape unless the hostiles have multiple pilots (which you know about in your intel channels, and covert ops cloak capable ships if you see fit to allow the grid to allow it on cruisers). I think the risk should be for the Carrier pilot, not for other ships as it's too easy to mitigate risk on the other ships.

keep fighter warp and also allow the ability to assist to ships that are on grid.

But it's not - the two situations are not exactly the same. Carriers have notoriously slow lock times, especially for smaller ships, and fighters do not (last time I used any) auto aggress to new targets, you have to target them individually and click "Sic 'em" for the fighters to go dispense death. Removing the assist feature means that you have to use the carrier's lock time in order to get the benefit of the fighters, not the lock time of an interceptor.

Hence my addition of some changes to the fighters themselves.