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Removed some off topics post. I will see to it the thread gets a good proper clean in the morning.

The stated goal of this "fix":

" the aim of significantly increasing minimum travel times between two arbitrary distant points"

Nerfing "force projection" is a good idea that everyone can agree on. While the jump fatigue mechanic achieves this, it has the terrible side effect of simultaneously nerfing multiple jumps over short distances as well. The net result is a total nerf to cyno jumping in general, not just over long distances.

I often need to make a dozen or so jf jumps into low/null just to haul a week or two's worth of materials. This often involves repeated back and forth jumps in a jump freighter, which right now I can do with adequate fuel stocks and on the same cyno. This is essential right now because the cargoholds of jump freighters are ridiculously small compared with what actually needs to be hauled in this game. After this change this process will take me days or even weeks for the same work I can do now in less than an hour. My only solution would be to use more accounts which is perhaps what CCP is going for.

The jump fatigue and reduced jump range makes sense for carriers, dreads, and supers. It makes no sense for jump freighters. Perhaps either the jump fatigue or the jump range reduction but not both. Perhaps even both but then maybe tripling or quadrupling the cargo capacity of jump freighters (and their hp in proportion).

Or even better, figure out how to reduce the impact of jump fatigue while jumping within local areas (within the same region?). That way jumps back and forth between nearby systems don't start adding up to ridiculous amounts of waiting time.

Further food for thought:

• How many pilots are going to be sitting idle in mid point systems for hours/days waiting to make that final jump? Is this really how we want our pilots spending their time?


• How are fleets of capitals going to be able to make more than one simultaneous jump when likely everyone will have different jump fatigue times? This doesn't just nerf force projection more than 5 ly, but eliminates it.


• Is it realistic for a carrier to make 40 gate jumps through null sec? Or even a few? Is it realistic for anyone not in a fleet or an interceptor to make any gate jumps through null?


• If supers can use gates now they should also be able to dock. Especially so since often they won't be able to cyno jump out now for hours/days.

Takeaways:

• Jump Fatigue has the unintended consequence of nerfing multiple subsequent nearby jumps which seems an unintended consequence when the goal is to nerf force projection.


• Jump Freighers getting the double-nerf of jump fatigue and reduced range is going to exponentially increase the amount of time it takes to conduct logistics, even over short distances because the number of loads becomes a factor as much as distance.


• As pilots are stuck in mid point systems with varying degrees of jump fatigue which affects not only capital jumping but titan bridges and jump bridges as well, we will get less player density and more players spread out unable to timely make the trip home, most likely just idling in stations. This is the opposite of how we want null sec to be.

Now where did I see these arguments before....

oh right, the wh forum in the topic regarding the mass changes!

Please CCP

Cap the fatigue at 24h. Any longer than that and it becomes seriously gamebreaking. It shouldn't take months to cool off a 5 jump trip.

If jump fatigue, cool down timers and travel time for using jump drvies are going to exist, then anyone jumping through a Stargate or an ACTUAL wormhole should technically be hit with the same restraints as well since all forms of travel use wormholes. Not that a sci-fi game needs to make any sense, but lets at least be consistant here if we are going to make stupid and ridiculous changes without actually putting any thought behind it.

Don't forget that it's not just getting to the battle, but extraction as well. Retreat won't be much of an option

Plan ahead, problem solved.

Thinning the herd. Its going to be great.

You should have been here during the Halloween War - tons of epic fights at staging systems, it was the most glorious EVE has ever been, and - according to this devblog - ever will be.

im actually for a longer overall final fatique CD. but im for a lower in between jump CD.

as per what i said here, perhaps DEV could look at reduction or simplifying the mechanics
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5074624#post5074624

in terms of timed issues, make them WHOLE numbers. maybe it will also make the game less laggy as we process less floating variables. imagine if all non essential floating double precision numbers are now integers, its like removing all irrelevant posts ... clean compact.