EVE General Discussion

Okay, so what follows is entirely my personal opinion.

It's not a case of not "catering to the tearfilled entitled", it's a case of us staying true to the core of what EVE was built on.

Some of the people complaining in this thread have valid points about the fact that they don't feel safe. Simple fact of the matter is, that you're not suppose to feel safe in New Eden.

Eve is not a game for the faint hearted. It's a game that will chew you up and spit you out in the blink of an eye if you even think about letting your guard down or becoming complacent.

While every other MMO starts off with an intro that tells you you're going to be the savior of the realm, holds your hand, protects you, nurtures your development and ultimately guides you to your destiny as a hero along with several other million players who've had the exact same experience, EVE assaults you from the second you begin to play after you create a character, spitting you out into a universe that under the surface, is so complex that it's enough to make your head explode.

The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold. It's about action and reaction, and the story that unfolds as you experience these two things.

True, we're working hard to lower the bar of entry so that more players can enjoy EVE and can get into the game. Our NPE (New Player Experience) is challenging, and we're trying to improve it to better prepare rookies for what lies out there, but when you start to play eve, you'll always start out as the little fish in the big pond.

The only way to grow is to voraciously consume what's around you, and its your choice whether that happens to be New Eden's abundant natural resources, or the other people who're also fighting their way to the top.

EVE is a playing experience like no other, where every action or reaction resonates through a single universe and is felt by players from all corners of the word. There are no shards here, no mirror universes, no instances and very few rules. If you stumble across something valuable, then chances are someone else already knows where you are, or is working their way toward you and you better be prepared to fight for what you've discovered.

EVE will test you from the outset, from the very second you undock and glimpse the stars, and will take pleasure from sorting those who can survive from those who'd rather curl up and perish.

EVE will let you fight until you collapse, then let you struggle to your feet, exhausted from the effort. Then when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel it'll kick you flat on your ass in the mud again and ask you why you deserve to be standing. It'll test you against every other individual playing at some point or another, and it'll ask for answers.

Give it an answer and maybe it'll let you up again, long enough to gather your thoughts. After a few more steps you're on the ground again and it's asking more questions.

EVE is designed to be harsh, it's designed to be challenging, and it's designed to be so deep and complex that it should fascinate and terrify you at the same time.

Corporation, Alliances and coalitions of tens of thousands have risen and fallen on these basic principles, and every one of those thousands of people has their own unique story to tell about how it affected them and what they experienced.

That's the beauty of EVE. Action and reaction. Emergence.

Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience.

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Too bad, in my opinion, CCP has been on track for quite some time to cater more towards the lowest common denominator instead of following their habits of old and being "risk takers". Instead of CCP giving more options and variety of gaming while asking their player base what they would want to do next, CCP has become more, "we know what is best for you and you will accept what we dish out without question".

Perhaps that is the challenge - how to accept without question.

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Yay, but don't ask to make it harsh and fearful for gankers. They whine quite annoyingly afterwards.

I'm still wondering, if Eve isn't supposed to be safe, why are the consequences for ganking so predictable? I just think we should shake things up a bit. A bit more RNG to the concord spawn timer and amount. instead of a predictable 17 or whatever seconds, and luring concord off, give concord the ability to be a bit less predictable. Add some *actual* risks to the gank, and potentially harsher penalties (being prevented from using gates for a period of time perhaps, forcing gankers to make use of blops bridges into lowsec or something.) Perhaps isk fines that are actual proportional to the damage done instead of proportional to the attacker's ship value.

I'm not upset with the current system, I just think we have some untapped potential to make it a bit less predictable and reball the risk/reward factor a bit.

there's already risk in an rng in the form of loot drops we don't need that garbage twice

or three times if you inlclude the rng in tracking

the gankers are already -forced- to remain in their pods or get shot for fifteen minutes and -forced- to be chased by faction police everywhere if they don't waste a huge amount of time or isk getting their sec back up again

finally making gankers use bridges (how do you bridge into or out of highsec?) to go into lowsec doesn't make sense seeing as they're obviously highsec players since they're playing in highsec. this is like forcing highsec level four runners into lowsec level fours?

atleast 7 pages of it is "ganking is good because ganking is good". someone is incapable of thinking of anything else it seems.

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or take the negligible standing hit as most of us'd do. it's not like career mission runners are short on good standing. and you don't have to 'wait' the cooldown, you run missions in the meantime


uh, no, the question is 'why should anyone have to put up with that garbage'. and gankers don't have zero-risk gameplay.


any risk involved past mechanical is meta, provided by the players. since ganking is meta anyway this is entirely suitable. there doesn't need to be any more mechanical risk to compensate for the lack of meta risk the targets should be providing if they intend to stay unexploded.


losing your ship guaranteed is a risk. a one-hundred-percent-chance risk. and the system, accounting for meta, is not predictable unless you make it. i suggest turning off autopilot for a start.