EVE General Discussion

Some people won't be happy until their haulers are produced by Polaris, and they'll still whine because there's a 0.1% hole in the resists.

guns are pretty useless in high sec. Since you can't start firing until they do without getting concorded, you can still see your hauler volleyed off the field before you can reduce their ganking squad enough to save it. And with sec tags, gankers don't really need to put time or effort in to keep themselves high enough to avoid being valid targets for a preemptive hit, they simply spend some of their victims isk on tags and instantly become "good" again.

Make kill rights so they only get used up once that killright has been used to kill the pirate with the equivalent value of the ship they killed to earn it (so if you kill a billion isk of ship, it can be repeatedly used until it's cost you a billion isk), and guns will be back in play.

It's not though, is it? It's not at all dark and gritty, it's just that people can run up to noobs and smash their heads in in a single hit. It's no more dark and gritty than a PvP WoW server.

EVE is moving to a place where there are no more consequences. Take the sec tags for example. Now you can run around ganking like crazy, wait 30 days for your kill rights to drop off, pay a bunch of isk to jump your sec status back up instantly and shazzam you are no longer a pirate.

And part of it is that too much focus has gone into making people vulnerable. Take corps for example. Awoxing being so easy to pull off and the lack of benefits of being in a player run corp means there's no real reason to move out of an NPC corp in high sec. It would be better to give people more opportunities to choose to put themselves at risk because it's worth doing. Making it too tough then just saying "tough luck" whenever someone tries and fails isn't really good encouragement to try again.

I would love EVE to be a dark and gritty hardcore game, but that's really not what it is.

They have every option in the book. How on earth do they need more?!

Then a ganker should not need 5–20 more people to gank either, deal? Same goes for the miners — they have plenty of options and all of them require more than one person to gank, so I suppose you're suggesting that all exhumers and barges get nerfed back to more reasonable levels too?

No. Just no. They work just as well there as they do everywhere else. Gankers, as a rule, can be shot without being concorded as it is, and they have to resort to such fragile ships to get any kind of damage output that, unlike the haulers, they are very easy to volley off the field. There's a reason why high-DPS destroyers are the ganker tool of the trade rather than any kind of volley monster.

That's not what kill rights are for. You are confusing two completely unconnected mechanics: one is the right to not have CONCORD mess with you and another is the ability to enforce a cost on other players.

No, it really isn't. Between kill rights, new crimewatch, harsher sec penalties, massively increased costs, and more mechanics to bring the fight to the gankers if they bother you, the consequences have never been higher. Sec tags makes a very minute difference to one of those things and were frankly needed to balance out the massive increases in penalties introduced over the years.

Scammers have exactly the risks and rewards other players give them, and nothing more.
Funny how people refuse to take responsibility for what they willingly hand out, and then come back to complain someone has they have exactly what they've given him.

I am saying there are some but not enough options to fit tank. It is so easy and cost to little to gank freighters atm that people are doing it on empty freighters for the lulz.

Ganking should always be possible but it should come at a greater price and with greater consequences and not with the trivial shat we have now where alts are trained and disposed of like a revolving door.

Indeed it always cracks me up hard when people try to pretend that eve is dark and gritty and HARDCORE YO!!! The reality is that a pvp WoW server is just as dark and gritty and almost as hardcore. In eve I can only lose a ship if I undock really while in WoW I can be ganked in the auction house of the biggest city for my faction. If I die in eve I spend a few isk and I'm back exactly where I was before. Only if I'm flying a t3 do I lose experience or anything. Meanwhile old school korean MMos like Lineage 2 had FFA pvp everywhere (except some sections of some towns) and when you died you would lose weeks of grinding even if your gear is cheap and you're not max level .


Ganking is so easy these days thanks to the buffs that I'm surprised it took this long before people started complaining about freighter ganks.



EDIT : Part of the problem is that some of the freighters are dropping billions which is enough to cover the costs of ganking empty freighters for a full day. Only need 10-20 catas/talos/brutix in a mix. You don't even really have to spend the big bucks either. A mix of catas with some talos to bump the dps a little is more then enough. Hell 12 decently trained catas can do +250k damage in .05. Thats a super cheap fleet for ganking.

Hello cata thrasher buffs? The introduction of BS guns on BC platforms? You don't remember the olden days when you had to spend real isk on a BS to gank something big.

Ganks are a daily event in highsec.


I imagine there'd be more ganks if more people realized how easy it is to do.

You mean the things that not even managed to maintain the status quo in the face of the massive nerfs? The ones that led to ganks becoming more and more rare over time? No, that was not a buff — those were nerfs that would have been downright insulting unless the gankers were given something in the way of compensation.

So in other words: laughably rare.

What massive nerfs?

The change to insurance? That's minor.

Can't boomerang anymore? Come on that was clearly abusing the system.

Can't break concord like before? THat too was an exploit and you know it.


Less and less? Are you even playing the same game or are you just sticking to some sort of propaganda plan to get ganking buffed even more?

Ganking is more common then ever. I remember mining through all the hulkageddons and not only did I never get killed I rarely saw a ganker. Today I fly out to a belt and there's a good chance i"ll have a ganker come through unless I'm hiding in a dead end out far from markets mining crap ore for terrible isk per hour.

Uedama (sp) aufay etc are sites of daily ganking.


How is something that occurs daily in a variety of systems suddenly considered "laughably rare"??

Price increases are deceptive as inflation is not being taken into account. It's far cheaper to use a couple catalysts then to use the BS of old.

What vastly improved defense? You cant defend yourself till the are attacking and at that point it's too late as Nados will one shot you off the field. If they are using talos it's almost as bad. Cata and thrashers do leave you sometime to fight back but at that point it's a losing battle.

With the addition of freighters I can just contract a gank fleet to any system I plan to hit. I just have to log in fly to the spot and start ganking. No real effort required.


So you're allowed to claim whatever but when I point out reality you want citations going back to the creation of the game.

You first.

Just look at the KBs for those systems and you will see what you ask for. Stop being lazy and just look a little or stop trying to pretend ignorance.

There's more ganking corps now then ever before. Especially with the code thing going on there's now many many dozens of corps dedicated to ganking miners/haulers/mission runners and more.

I guess I could venture into lowsec gate camps to try to avoid Uedama Aufay Niarja and such when moving around..