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High Sec Hauling/Mining Kills - TY CCP for No Protection

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#121 - 2014-08-27 20:52:28 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
You KNOW that's a lie, right? You would need one hell of a profit margin to pay other players for boring themselves to death as they become useless extra guns on top of CONCORD's once in a blue moon.
There are other measures as well. Don't be a profitable kill is the easiest among the options.

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Slicr
#122 - 2014-08-27 21:01:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Slicr
CCP Falcon wrote:
Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Smile



Think you might need a vacation since you do not realize this is just a game.
To compare anything in the real world to justify something in a game is pretty lame.

Excuse me will I go put 3,900 m3 worth of cargo in my secure giant cargo container that has a volume of 3,000 m3.

I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#123 - 2014-08-27 21:02:33 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Smile



Yes indeed, guns are very effective against gankers.
Slicr
#124 - 2014-08-27 21:13:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Aqriue wrote:
Wild @ss idea CCP should of stuck with, to stop the whining so the forum hamster's don't have to be running 24/7 with only a short break.
You got one thing right at least: it's an ass idea. Let's break vast portions of the game because some players are too incompetent to play it.



The game has been dumbed down considerably, so why not more?

I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#125 - 2014-08-27 21:38:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Yang Aurilen
Sequester Risalo wrote:
Wacktopia wrote:
How about this; create some insta-undocks - problem solved.


Misunderstood Genius wrote:
You can get around this with
- an insta-undock off-grid (especially in the major trading hub systems)
- using a cloaky Blockade Runner



If you (and some others) had bothered to actually read the thread before posting your valued opinion, you would have noticed that the lady did in fact fly a blockade runner and was in the process of docking when the incident happened. Please explain how insta-undocking would have helped in that situation.

Thank you


Warp to zero and "dock" commands sometimes doesn't land you zero on station. Sometimes you have to slowburn it as seen here.

TL;DR her BR didn't land on zero.

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Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#126 - 2014-08-27 21:44:13 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns.

The problem is, with the way ganking works, bringing guns doesn't make your hauling any safer.
Flay Nardieu
#127 - 2014-08-27 21:45:09 UTC
I think of gankers as slime, however in this case they where bonafide pirates. The events involving the OP unfolded in true Pirate fashion. they set bait and organized a trap. The pirates should be commended on their planning and execution.

In my view true pirates fit well in EVE and their actions are viable and sensible aggressive actions against non-combatants funding their activities by doing so (ie recover some or all of the cargo PLUS the collateral payment). In contrast most 'pro' gankers have to subsidize the ganking to get ahead. Seriously, multiple ships losses to CONCORD to take out mining barges there is no way in hell a group could turn a profit doing that.


So
Pirates = Clever opportunists plying their trade in space
Gankers = Losers who think they are elite, feeding off the whining of their 'prey' but in fact have to subsidize their antics to even be able to continue their harassment.
Zuteh
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#128 - 2014-08-27 21:47:10 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Smile



If CONCORD was to be a deterrent then the ganking character would be thrown in Eve-jail for a few months. Currently it is a puny consequence which the gankers completely mitigate with throw-away fits. IMO this is the reason Eve stagnated and is declining, it drives off fresh blood who can't be arsed with a cesspool of wannabe pirates getting their kicks out of E-tears.
Paranoid Loyd
#129 - 2014-08-27 21:48:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Slicr wrote:

To compare anything in the real world to justify something in a game is pretty lame.

In a previous thread Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Attributing real values unto digital acts within a video game is a nono, not pointing out apt similarities between the two.


It's a subtle difference, but it is different.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Paranoid Loyd
#130 - 2014-08-27 21:58:50 UTC
Zuteh wrote:
Currently it is a puny consequence which the gankers completely mitigate with throw-away fits.


It is of no consequence to make yourself aware of the danger and to take precautions accordingly.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#131 - 2014-08-27 21:59:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
CCP Falcon wrote:
Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Smile


Except that bringing guns or an escort does not work. Here is what happens: Your ship exits warp and explodes in less than a second.
When in that sequence was I supposed to identify the attacker, lock the attacker and destroy the attacker first, especially as shooting first gets me CONCORDed?
When in that sequence was an escort supposed to help? Well, he could have told me to not warp in the first place. But I can do that by not logging in at all. CCP Falcon, is that the outcome you want to see?

Maybe it would be better if you adjust how warping to stations works, so my ship actually warps to docking range. Customer services will thank you.

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KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#132 - 2014-08-27 22:02:49 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Smile


Ah yes, the old blame the victim defense.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#133 - 2014-08-27 22:06:28 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Smile


Except that bringing guns or an escort does not work. Here is what happens: Your ship exits warp and explodes in less than a second.
When in that sequence was I supposed to identify the attacker, lock the attacker and destroy the attacker first, especially as shooting first gets me CONCORDed?
When in that sequence was an escort supposed to help? Well, he could have told me to not warp in the first place. But I can do that by not logging in at all. CCP Falcon, is that the outcome you want to see?


That's a more detailed version of why Falcon's point about the guns it's a lie.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#134 - 2014-08-27 22:07:32 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Smile



This might be true but he didn't really lose a Prorat to gank here. He lost it to AWOX using the contract system.

My advice to the OP, use faucets like everyone else and ignore all things player driven. It's mostly bait.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#135 - 2014-08-27 22:10:49 UTC
Rule number 357 of EVE: The word safe doesn't have meaning any place in EVE.


... and it was probably CODE who shot you... Bunch of retards...
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#136 - 2014-08-27 22:21:14 UTC
Nice bait post CCP Falcon. You have shifted this thread from; "OP here are ways you can do it better" to "wah, wah, wah."
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#137 - 2014-08-27 22:25:41 UTC
Meanwhile I just leveled badger as my most prolific pvp ship after thrasher

\0/ ha suck on that gankers, you will of course in a few days, again

Maybe I should try procurer next just because

Also echoing, Falcon do tell how guns protect alpha ganks much less swarm ganks
Seeing as I have been around groups using double ecm bursting scorpions and they just threw even more ISK away
Natural CloneKiller
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#138 - 2014-08-27 22:28:50 UTC
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#139 - 2014-08-27 22:47:17 UTC
You know what would have been really effective here?

One jump out from the destination, reship to an empty Iteron. Go and set off the trap, and have your alt loot the Tornado. Easily pays for your Iteron.

Then, go and bring the real ship in.

Safety is something you can achieve in highsec, if you work for it. It is not given to you for free.

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#140 - 2014-08-27 22:52:41 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
You know what would have been really effective here?

One jump out from the destination, reship to an empty Iteron. Go and set off the trap, and have your alt loot the Tornado. Easily pays for your Iteron.

Then, go and bring the real ship in.

Safety is something you can achieve in highsec, if you work for it. It is not given to you for free.



Or he could use an Impel. They overheat tank to 220K

Though I still work on the logic, if they don't want to do it, I don't want to do it. A Prorat cargo hold is around 12K. Any contract M3 that small, screams bait to me.