Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You realize that the original tittle of the thread was balance of HAcs and Tempest.. and I am not talking about the hyperion? Arrive late and yet expect to sit at the window?

That eagle change, oh my. I am going to invest billions into the hull so reap the rewards of the price spike on it because it will be the next big fleet doctrine since the ishtar is getting completely pummeled into the ground. /sarcasm


Realistically battleships are not used outside of large-scale combat. They just are not used for roaming. Why roam in something that crawls through a warp when you can use a T3 that does the same damage, similiar tank, smaller sig radius, more maneuverability and warps faster? I mean seriously? Why use a battleship for POCO/POS bashing when a Tr3 BC does more damage and GTFO's faster? Vindis, Bhaals and RS are used but 2 of the 3 are used mainly in HS wardecs. The other is used with the support of carriers. NAPOCs are used from time to time, though not often. I have seen BL using Maels but again, not as often as HACs. It has really become a HAC and T3 warfare in all parts of Eve with the exception of POCO/POS bashing which is either Tr3 or Dreads or Frigates in FW space.

and everything would start creeping towards each other to becoming the same.

not really 1 thing out of hundreds would move slightly towards the normal centre ground

Zealot: Gets overshadowed by the NOmen. The ship generally feels underwhelming and can't project dps anything like the Ishtar can.

Scariledge: Is a good brawler. Don't think this needs much help. HML's maybe a little too underwhelming to be used on this.

Eagle: Not bad but needs a dronebay along with the speed buff you have already put in this thread.

Cerberus: Pretty well balanced kiter/brawler and can project with HML and also create an anti frigate bubble.

Diemos: Very well balanced HAC. Can perform multiple roles but excels in solo brawling.

Ishtar: Still overpowered even after this nerf. Projects far too much dps over far too much range. I think the only way to fix the Ishtar is to create small and medium sentry drones and reduce the bandwidth to 50M/Bits and increase bonus to medium drones.

Vagabond: Only issue with this ship is that it's dull. It can do two things and that's it. XL-ASB brawling or kite. Only thing I would change on this ship is to move a low to a mid and buff the CPU by 10%.

Muninn: Awful sniper. Underwhelming brawler. Can kind of kite with arties but it's a poor performer. Could use an extra gun or an extra low slot. Needs better projection too.

A simple ammunition option that was effective against sentry drones, but weak against moving targets would fit well with a long range weapon.

There's your counter.
If you cannot kill the ship, and your problem is with it's weapon, disable or destroy it's weapon.

i think removing the optimal range bonus for sentries will do the job very well, and maybe even lower base optimal for gardes and curators/bouncers, wardens are fine imo. lowering the ishtar speed is pretty silly tbh.

Also people seem to forget that sentries have 1 of the largest disadvantages ingame. they can't move!! throw some bombs or a sb bs in between and it's game over fast.

making a heavy drone based cruiser would be nice if the speed bonus to heavies becomes 20% or 25% per lvl, because really they are sooooooo slow it's rediculous to use them atm unless you have a dual web, scram setup for brawling, further then 20km and they become like useless flying scrap metal.

i think the ishtar is fine with using sentries, they just don't need to be buffed like is the case now.

something like:

gallente cruiser: 7.5% bonus to heavy and 5% sentry drone tracking, 7.5% bonus to heavy drone mwd speed
hac: 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and dmg, 7.5% bonus to heavy drone mwd speed

role: 50% reduction in mwd sig radius

remove the 5km drone control range, this way people will sooner avoid them for long range pvp

this way it becomes viable to use heavies more because they will reach medium drone speeds (or beyond).

i mean i have been using heavies for a while for pve and it's rediculous atm...

to some here, stop with this "the ishtar needs to be nerfed with only medium and light drones"... yeah sure so 2 days after patch we can all start bitching at how useless the ishtar has become... it is a HEAVY assault cruiser, so HEAVY drones would be nice yes. the same as using HEAVY missile launchers on a cerb ;), HEAVY blasters on a deimos , HEAVY pulse lasers on a zealot etc...

restrict the gardes to 20km, curator to 40, bouncer to 50 (they have enough falloff) and wardens the same as now. i think the problem is the sentries more then the ishtar. they just reach to far out in comparisson to most weapon systems. combine this with the insane optimal bonus and - very much needed -tracking bonus and it becomes op.

Just drop another set you know cause you carry more than one set. Now if you reduce it to be only able to carry a set and a half or something than it becomes a penalty

i like this idea, but the heavies are way to slow atm for use in pvp/pve - unless for brawling, orbit velocity boost would be very nice indeed (for pvp i'm less convinced).
still 7.5% mwd speed bonus for heavies is to slow for a hac imo. balance them out so the slowest reach ham speeds, the fastest reach heavy missile speed. only on bonussed hulls such as the ishtar or eos.

anyways i like the idea of not using sentries on ishtars but then heavies need some serious work - or bonusses - to be even close to good

Removed a troll post.