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Invention only requires one run from a blueprint copy, and deducts it exactly as if you'd built from the blueprint

You are terrible at math.

The minimal ME benefits from that massive research batch will probably take hundreds of years of manufacturing to be worth more ISK than what you would have gained by just selling PLEXes that you could have bought with that same RL money.

People like you are the reason why CCP is switching to 10-tier ME research scale.

I think (hope) ther is a typo in the dev blog:

Drones: Sized 1/2/3/40,

Should be 1/2/3/4, right ??

A couple clearifying questions:

1) Is the "blueprint must be present at a lab for research at a POS" thing going live.
2) What happens to bpos in research jobs running at a POS when the expansion is deployed ? Is it still to be found at the station after the job is finished, or will it be magically transported to the lab where it is being researched ?

So what happens if I have an ME 6 capital BPO currently in research at a POS?

A) It finishes research post-Crius, appears in station as an ME 7 BPO

or

B) It's converted to an ME 9 BPO mid-research job, the research is then 'complete' and it pops out in station at ME 9

or

C) It's converted to ME 9 mid-job, the research adds an extra level of ME, and an ME 10 BPO comes out into station?

These are all very different outcomes, and knowing what happens to the ME / PE of in-research BPOs with regards to the conversion would be very much appreciated.

Sounds like you didn't quite understand what I had said (and I'm confused why you referenced 2 different sets of numbers for the 2nd column, which was labelled new, aka the result under the new patch)... lets see if I can explain this in more simple terms.

3 examples, and please, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I feel like the math is sound: (For organization sake lets call it a Dohicky, and for clarity sake, its the T2 variant of the item that has a base resource cost of 100 Thingimajigs)

Now with a basic T2 invented Dohicky BPC at -4 (additional 50% in waste) it will take 150 Thingimajigs to build, correct so far? This patch will update this BPC to new ME standards; adding 6, resulting in a value of ME 2 in the old system, and then applying the conversion, landing it at 7% range. So now under the new system, the base cost of a Dohicky is 150 Thingimajigs, then apply the 7% from the, lands it at 139.5 Thingimajigs, so yeah, under the new system in just terms of material cost, it will be cheaper (material wise) to build a Dohicky than it currently is in the old system currently on TQ.

Those numbers jive so far? Ok, good, lets apply that to say, a Dohicky BPC that was invented to a state of ME 0 (old/current TQ). This BPC requires 110 Thingimajigs to output a Dohicky (due to 10% waste), math still good here? Ok, so lets apply this with the new system. ME 0, add 6, results in ME 6 (still old system), convert to new system, gives you 9% (because any old ME value between 5 and 9 will result in 9%, as per dev blog). So this very same T2 Dohicky BPC at 9% now costs 136.5 Thingimajigs (150 base, subtract 9%), still good? This results in a 24% increase to material requires comparing old/current with the new system.

3rd example, say we have a T2 Dohicky BPC invented to ME 10, would only require 101 Thingimajigs to build (base being 100, and waste being something like .9% with ME 10). In the new system this lucky BPC gets set as a perfect 10, resulting in 10% reduction in material cost, therefore making a Dohicky (base of 150 Thingimajigs) cost 135 Thingimajigs. A more substantial 34% increase to material costs, right?

This is the one area that CCP has failed to actually respond with hard numbers, numbers which the rest of us can't produce ourselves until Sisi comes back online, which will be too late (not that it isn't too late already). I do multiple levels of T2 production from modules to rigs to ships, and it would be nice to know if I should stop building certain things until the patch hits or if I should either hold or sell all current stock due to potential changes to material requirements at the different levels the blueprints were that created these items (-4 for modules obviously, but have a quite a few marauders at -1 currently).

C, and it will finish at whenever it's currently scheduled to finish.

Do note that, because we are calculating percentage reductions on the job as a whole rather than per-run, there will be cases where multiple runs can realize hidden savings that weren't previously accessible.

Frankly I don't really have much sympathy for people with ME 1000 blueprints. If researching them to that level was useful, then you've already benefited from doing it and don't deserve additional freebies. And if it wasn't worth researching them, then you shouldn't be compensated for making bad decisions.

Sorry, edited original post to add the word "time" between "whenever" and "it's", that wasn't clear.

Case 1, ME5. Case 2, ME9. We take whatever level the blueprint was at when the job started, convert that, and then when the job finishes add however many levels (capped at level 10) it was in research for.

Thankyou Greyscale.

I'm still digesting the last devblog and I found a very small thingy that at first seemed to apply only to T2 bpc's as it's about converting invented bpc's. But then I read it again, and now I think you're targetting T2 BPO's too with this:

For such a large change you've not really been clear and transparant in the announcement :)

2 questions: (again)
1) Are T2 BPO's jobs gonna cost 35-50% (depending on the previous ME) more materials?
2) For drones (small T2 drone, needs 1 robotics and 1 guidance system) how is this gonna round?

I asked you this at a presentation/questions session last Fanfest. Tbh, I think putting invention next to T2 BPO's is a good thing to do. Even making all of it 35% more expensive, isn't gonna matter much for the people producing it all. The market will pay for it

Wow that's interesting.

So people can still get lvl10 prints with only a few days to spare then?
Take a cruiser blueprint to Me:1 (2 days)
Then install for 5 more (10 days, over patch cycle)..
me1 becomes +5%, then 5 more gets added on top to give +10%
So you get a +10% cruiser in 12 days worth of research :)...

I guess the upshot is that me5 capital prints that are put in now for 1 run will be me10 after they come out of the oven...

That is, if what your saying is the same as I understand it.

And with Crius, so endeth the high sec manufacturer.

Brilliant CCP.

PCU is at its lowest in years, and this is BEFORE all the casual players who don't read many forums get slammed.
I really hope that the null sec cartels follow through with their promises to you of more null sec accounts firing up, because you are going to lose a ton from high sec.

But of course, that is all part of the ongoing campaign to make high sec an ISK wasteland.

Ah, with you now yes, sorry. You are correct. The impact of decryptors on material use is significantly reduced under the new system (as it's moving by 1%/level rather than 10%/level). This is expected to be significantly overhauled as part of upcoming invention changes.

Yes, that math looks legit. There's a lot of generosity being done in numeric terms to avoid hurting anyone's absolute blueprint numbers. Two side-effects of this are that 1) people are getting a lot of stuff "for free" in the transition, which may cause us legacy headaches in a few years, and 2) some people are losing relative advantage. We judged that this ends up being a better option than eg nerfing blueprint absolute numbers to base off time spent or whatever - people will be unhappy either way, but at least this way nothing is being *directly* nerfed.