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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#121 - 2014-06-16 23:51:12 UTC
Suicide ganking has not become a problem.
Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#122 - 2014-06-16 23:51:30 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Not jsut spiteful, they are bascially trying to "appeal to CCPs wallet" to get CCP to change something they dislike (well, dislike enough to post about but not enough to act on using already existing in-game tools and tactics).

The reason that kind of fallacious appeal always fails is because it doesn't take into account the opposite: creating a situation where the thing they don't like (in this case, ganking) would also cause the 'sub loss' they claim to fear. They don't actually care about CCPs wallet because if all the gankers quit they'd be happy, even though that would hurt CCP.

As a pvp player who likes to push pirate ships around high sec a lot, I'm a bored ganker target lol. The difference between me and the people whining in this thread is that I understand Im playing an 'adversarial' game and people are supposed to try to 'get' you, and half the game for me is continuing to save the screwall Damsel while the other half is denying the 'gankers' the 'Jenn aSide's Machariel' killmail they desire.

I came here to say this, but quoting it is fine too I guess.P
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#123 - 2014-06-16 23:59:40 UTC
Noragli wrote:
It's stupid that concord would allow this to happen.


No, it's stupid that players allow this to happen.

High sec needs less NPC intervention, not more. All it has done is train most highsec players to turtle up in a station instead of undocking en masse to **** down the necks of whatever it is outside that's scaring them. There's times to stay docked; when you outnumber the bad man 30 to 1 is not it.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#124 - 2014-06-16 23:59:48 UTC
Ugh. How is this thread still going?


Someone please kill it. Kill it with fire so I can Psssssssshhhhh all over it.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#125 - 2014-06-17 00:00:41 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
loyalanon wrote:
Fifth - CCP gave changes to Freighters so that people can fit tanks etc, If you still choose to autopilot with no cargo and expanded cargoholds, that just goes to show how much you pay attention to anything. The Reenforced bulkhead mods are less then a mil each. x3 would definitly help you keep your beloved ships.

Check our killboard, 90% of freighters still refuse to fit tanks. I know I would want to protect my investment why don't you?
Looking at the kills didn't really fill me with faith in a tank alone saving anything. At least 2 freighters with low cargo values with 3 bulkheads died. Elsewhere I'm sure some triple cargo expanded freighter probably AP'd it's way uneventfully to it's destination.

The key seemed to be flying somewhere other than Aufay.

As John already said earlier in this thread, the key is a permit for only 10 million ISK per year which allows you to operate in New Order space as long as you follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct (a.k.a. the law of Highsec).

Evil RatKid
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#126 - 2014-06-17 00:02:17 UTC
I approve of CODE's ganking.
I don't approve of their smug and irritating roleplay.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2014-06-17 00:03:58 UTC
infra52x wrote:
Carmen Electra wrote:
I've done a lot of ganking along the Jita pipe with a nado and recently moved to ganking mission runners with a fleet of thrashers. Ganking is difficult

Ganking mission runners required no skill right after the MTU was added to the game.... All you had to do was aggro the MTU while the mission runner had his drone out....

This was patched in Rubicon 1.1 for you whiners, or didn't you know?

Quote:
Drones that are set to aggressive will no longer perform automatic actions against a target if those actions would trigger a new Limited Engagement, unless explicitly instructed to engage that target.


Carmen is talking about ganking now, not pre-Rubicon 1.1.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#128 - 2014-06-17 00:05:24 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

As John already said earlier in this thread, the key is a permit for only 10 million ISK per year which allows you to operate in New Order space as long as you follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct (a.k.a. the law of Highsec).


**** the CODE. If you do nothing else in highsec, ignore these people and their posturing.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2014-06-17 00:05:30 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
loyalanon wrote:
Fifth - CCP gave changes to Freighters so that people can fit tanks etc, If you still choose to autopilot with no cargo and expanded cargoholds, that just goes to show how much you pay attention to anything. The Reenforced bulkhead mods are less then a mil each. x3 would definitly help you keep your beloved ships.

Check our killboard, 90% of freighters still refuse to fit tanks. I know I would want to protect my investment why don't you?
Looking at the kills didn't really fill me with faith in a tank alone saving anything. At least 2 freighters with low cargo values with 3 bulkheads died. Elsewhere I'm sure some triple cargo expanded freighter probably AP'd it's way uneventfully to it's destination.

The key seemed to be flying somewhere other than Aufay.

As John already said earlier in this thread, the key is a permit for only 10 million ISK per year which allows you to operate in New Order space as long as you follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct (a.k.a. the law of Highsec).
Or just wait for the blockade to go inactive or use a smaller hauler or as stated, be somewhere other than Aufay. There really is no need to pay anyone.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#130 - 2014-06-17 00:06:30 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
I really doubt many people "quit" over getting suicide ganked, TBH. Such comments are just a thinly veiled attempt to be "spiteful".



If it becomes a regular thing people with freighter alts running for services like Red Frog may unsub the alts and find another source of income but thats about it.

I personally see suicide ganking in highsec as a glorified form of PvE not PvP - particularly since the ship you are fighting is actually on autopilot, but that is neither here nor there, its all part of the game.
Spectral Tiger
#131 - 2014-06-17 00:33:40 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Why is it suddenly 'beyond the pale' for empty freighters to be ganked?

First, if I was going to lose a freighter - I'd hope it was empty.

Second, do carebears really think there exists some kind of ''unspoken" rule that empty freighters should not be ganked? And if they are ganked - it requires CCP take action?




Empty freighters being ganked.

There's obviously no isk gain for the gank, which means the reasons seem on the face of it just for griefing. Are the relationships between PvE style players and PvP style players really that bad these days?
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#132 - 2014-06-17 00:35:01 UTC
Spectral Tiger wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Why is it suddenly 'beyond the pale' for empty freighters to be ganked?

First, if I was going to lose a freighter - I'd hope it was empty.

Second, do carebears really think there exists some kind of ''unspoken" rule that empty freighters should not be ganked? And if they are ganked - it requires CCP take action?




Empty freighters being ganked.

There's obviously no isk gain for the gank, which means the reasons seem on the face of it just for griefing. Are the relationships between PvE style players and PvP style players really that bad these days?


You get a killmail with 10-digits on it Shocked What more do you need?

Bacon makes us stronger
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#133 - 2014-06-17 00:36:02 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
**** the CODE. If you do nothing else in highsec, ignore these people and their posturing.

AFK is the ultimate form of ignoring others in the game.

Doesn't change the outcome, but those killed because they were too lazy to actually play the game while undocked, can at least take satisfaction that they ignored the gankers. That learned them.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#134 - 2014-06-17 00:38:08 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
That learned them.


Hopefully it did. Because paying someone to ostensibly leave you alone never taught anyone anything worth learning.
Spectral Tiger
#135 - 2014-06-17 00:38:46 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
Spectral Tiger wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Why is it suddenly 'beyond the pale' for empty freighters to be ganked?

First, if I was going to lose a freighter - I'd hope it was empty.

Second, do carebears really think there exists some kind of ''unspoken" rule that empty freighters should not be ganked? And if they are ganked - it requires CCP take action?




Empty freighters being ganked.

There's obviously no isk gain for the gank, which means the reasons seem on the face of it just for griefing. Are the relationships between PvE style players and PvP style players really that bad these days?


You get a killmail with 10-digits on it Shocked What more do you need?



Personally I couldn't careless about kill mails, they're one of the worst things that ever happened to PvP.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#136 - 2014-06-17 00:42:09 UTC
Spectral Tiger wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Why is it suddenly 'beyond the pale' for empty freighters to be ganked?

First, if I was going to lose a freighter - I'd hope it was empty.

Second, do carebears really think there exists some kind of ''unspoken" rule that empty freighters should not be ganked? And if they are ganked - it requires CCP take action?




Empty freighters being ganked.

There's obviously no isk gain for the gank, which means the reasons seem on the face of it just for griefing. Are the relationships between PvE style players and PvP style players really that bad these days?


Since when is "because I can" not good enough in a sandbox game?

Freighters are allowed to die, you realize.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Spectral Tiger
#137 - 2014-06-17 00:48:04 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Spectral Tiger wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Why is it suddenly 'beyond the pale' for empty freighters to be ganked?

First, if I was going to lose a freighter - I'd hope it was empty.

Second, do carebears really think there exists some kind of ''unspoken" rule that empty freighters should not be ganked? And if they are ganked - it requires CCP take action?




Empty freighters being ganked.

There's obviously no isk gain for the gank, which means the reasons seem on the face of it just for griefing. Are the relationships between PvE style players and PvP style players really that bad these days?


Since when is "because I can" not good enough in a sandbox game?

Freighters are allowed to die, you realize.



'because I can' that's bit of a weak argument, and that isn't the real reason as there's always another reason behind that one. I guess it could be farming useless kill mails, but I suspect it's more than just that.
Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
#138 - 2014-06-17 00:48:22 UTC
Pretty simple and many will disagree:

negative 5 to 10, can not use a 0.5 or higher gate. Can not access High even in a pod

BEEP DONE! Shocked

If your caught recycling alts, all accounts related to your "real name" are banned. Twisted

Harsh but effective...Your choice to pirate in HIGH has consequences. Risk vs. Reward is achieved!
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#139 - 2014-06-17 00:50:11 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Hopefully it did. Because paying someone to ostensibly leave you alone never taught anyone anything worth learning.

If people really want to learn them, then they need to learn to ignore them after the gank.

The rage that results in local and Evemail makes for entertaining stories on the blog. So do the stories of the fail Corps that swear revenge.

While James puts the stories together, he doesn't really write them. They are written by those that rage and shed tears. If people just stopped doing that, accepted loss gracefully and moved on, the stories would dry up along with a lot of the enjoyment.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#140 - 2014-06-17 00:50:54 UTC
Spectral Tiger wrote:


'because I can' that's bit of a weak argument, and that isn't the real reason as there's always another reason behind that one. I guess it could be farming useless kill mails, but I suspect it's more than just that.


Out of curiosity, if it's a legal action in game, why would "the real reason" matter at all?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.