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Let me tell you why people are killing highsec miners. A manifesto.

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Qansh
Triskelion Ouroboros
#221 - 2011-12-03 05:42:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Qansh
So, I can't play EVE when I can't play EVE, like when I'm focusing on writing or something?

The OP is an "Attention Fascist", telling miners what to do, what to focus on — that they should even have to focus on something.

It's always somebody telling someone else how to play the game instead of just playing their game the way they want to. Justify much?
Alizandro Goderaski
Evolution
Northern Coalition.
#222 - 2011-12-03 07:37:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizandro Goderaski
Great thread! love it, keep up the good work

edit: The game needs more people like you to make eve real. Your story is inspiring! Never give up!
Logix42
Taxation Damnation
#223 - 2011-12-03 08:16:52 UTC
OP is slightly insane but..... eve takes all types ....
while i agree suicide ganking helps with the bot problem - which in my part of the universe is small - i have only this to say: If beating up helpless people is your thing... you are morally corrupt, enjoy your miserable life cause your not bothering me

Go beyond the edge of space... Explore
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#224 - 2011-12-03 08:22:28 UTC
Eve Antonovich wrote:
Is there a tl;dr?


Well, I didn't read that monstrosity but I suspect that it boils down to 2 reasons:

1. Tears.

2. Because they can.
Jessie Kenan
Doomheim
#225 - 2011-12-03 08:53:54 UTC
Damn good read. 10/10.

Reminds me of Inominate Nightmare's epics.

Got any more material?
Illwill Bill
End of employment history
#226 - 2011-12-03 09:19:23 UTC
Holy wall of text, Batman! Shocked

I only kill my competitors. Oops
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#227 - 2011-12-03 09:36:03 UTC
tl;dr Fallacy of Composition. Op's post is a bloated, over-wrought, self indulgent stop liking things that I don't like whine.

The fallacy here is, and it is subtle, is that the OP defines a bot as any self correcting system which seeks to maximize activity and minimize energy and material consumption/loss. This definition is so wide it could encompass every living thing ever. He then offers the caveat that he is exempt from his proscription because he wants to be there when the trigger is pulled. But he gives no justification as to why he should be allowed this exemption from his own proscription; only he knows he is there pulling the trigger. There is no Turing test issued before that trigger is pulled, so to everyone else, he is just a bot, by his own definition. If he allows himself the assumption that others are bots based on his own conjecture, then he must allow others such an assumption based on theirs. And this is where the manifesto outlining his struggle falls apart; he makes no such allowance and reveals either hypocrisy, or if he is unaware of the contradiction then it is simply a matter of a fallacy of composition. Some miners are bots, but it does not necessarily follow that all are, despite the natural min/max metagame that all living things engage in.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
Sturm Lemming
Gila Knights
#228 - 2011-12-03 10:07:50 UTC
Simples-the gankers are simple heads. Pin brains, kick happy scum. The sort that in rl are afraid to cross the road alone-chicken. They are by the group load unintelligent, pack orientated pin heads. Joke-Q:how many gankers would fit on the head of a pin? A: they never knew they can't count above 3. Har de har.

Ha ha happy go lucky me.
Eins Zwei Drei
Doomheim
#229 - 2011-12-03 10:59:56 UTC
Epic!
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#230 - 2011-12-03 11:03:29 UTC
I'm not saying he shouldn't be ganking miners, I only point out that he doesn't need to write a book justifying it. But then maybe that's his game, if so more power to him. My critique of his troll... ahem, his manifesto still stands.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#231 - 2011-12-03 12:01:02 UTC
Hi-Sec Mining is an incredibly boring way to spend a gaming session. Years ago I'm sure it was pretty awesome to do stuff that felt like good, honest labor. Those days are gone. Nobody will mistake mining for "work." It's tedious farming created to allow idle chit-chat while keeping busy, and the worst of shoddy game design.

Suicide Ganking is an incredibly tiresome, droll way to spend a gaming session. Years ago it seemed funny or shocking that someone would allow Concord to blow up their ship just to get a miner kill. Those days are gone. Nobody will mistake suicide-ganking as any kind of sacrifice. It's an uncreative way to feel powerful that exploits poor game mechanics, and has been done to death.

The OP apparently doesn't know that the people that invented all the high-sec mining fits and strategies were innovative people that have probably moved on, and the people that invented all the suicide ganking methods were innovative people that have probably moved on. He's now spent 6 pages telling the world how exciting and novel his tiresome old news is, and only clued the rest of us in on how he hasn't been paying attention for 5 years.

TL; DR - OP has spent 6 pages RPing about yesterday's news. He should probably ask his mom if it's ok for him to post stuff on the internets in the future.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Shauna
Dalcorp
#232 - 2011-12-03 13:39:04 UTC
Pinaculus wrote:
Hi-Sec Mining is an incredibly boring way to spend a gaming session. Years ago I'm sure it was pretty awesome to do stuff that felt like good, honest labor. Those days are gone. Nobody will mistake mining for "work." It's tedious farming created to allow idle chit-chat while keeping busy, and the worst of shoddy game design.


/agree, it's boring as hell... and yet, pretty much every MMO has something like this, they're not called 'grinds' for nothing. At least in EVE you can opt out of doing it if that's not your bag of chips and go do something else Smile
Bunnyy Lebowski
#233 - 2011-12-03 13:58:41 UTC
As I read this all I could see in my head was THIS

[i]Entrapped in a vile world, where the endgames all the same as every other...

...We're only here to die...[/i]
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#234 - 2011-12-03 14:06:27 UTC
Mine in WH's

Sell in Jita

/arm to gankers

Profit

Laugh
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#235 - 2011-12-03 14:09:07 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Mine in WH's

Sell in Jita

/arm to gankers

Profit

Laugh


Congrats. You've managed to take one of the most boring activities in EVE and make it kind of cool.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
#236 - 2011-12-03 17:28:14 UTC  |  Edited by: ACY GTMI
DrDan21 wrote:


EvE is a PvP game, and you can make billions in nullsec without really using much effort if you know how


Right. Sure, I believe you.

Then where does it all go? I have yet to meet a rich PvPer. I'm sure there are some, but 90% or more, of the ones I've met have trouble covering their ship losses.

Then again, maybe I've been hanging out with the wrong crowd.
Bubanni
Corus Aerospace
#237 - 2011-12-03 17:38:16 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqc2gj_G2zY

I am going to leave this here :p the reason I/We kill high sec miners has nothing to do with profit, it's because of the fun we have as a community doing it.

A killmail showing a 200-300 mil kill doesn't hurt either, it's the lol factor. braging factor of isk destroyed... we all have our own reasons :p but I don't think i'm a bad person in real life because of it.

Supercap nerf - change ewar immunity https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=194759 Module activation delay! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180934
ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
#238 - 2011-12-03 22:06:51 UTC
Bubanni wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqc2gj_G2zY

I am going to leave this here :p the reason I/We kill high sec miners has nothing to do with profit, it's because of the fun we have as a community doing it.

A killmail showing a 200-300 mil kill doesn't hurt either, it's the lol factor. braging factor of isk destroyed... we all have our own reasons :p but I don't think i'm a bad person in real life because of it.



First, you are mistaken about being a bad person in real life. Morals and ethics DO NOT stop at the keyboard for people who have real morals and ethics.

Second, let me tell you about a corp that one of my characters was in, that decided it would be a good thing to gank a miner.

The corp was a member of SMA at the time, but left immediately after this incident and went to wormhole country. I hope they suck there as much as they did in low sec/no sec.

Scenario:

Three toons in SecDiv. SecDiv Joins SMA. CEO gets irked at something and hauls off with enough ISK for a LOT of PLEXs. ( CollegeKid, Brian New, maybe other aliases)

But I wanted my people to stay with SMA. Probably the best alliance I've been a part of . . . except my own.

First Op: I don't know what the name was, but it had to do with getting as many corporate provided Thoraxes as possible destroyed. Hmmm. They weren't well armed, but well armored.

So we caught a red carrier off station. Got it to half shields. I really thought we could do it, but everyone was laughing. No concentrated fire. One by one, the Thoraxes are gone. Mine among them, but at least I had the common sense to save my implants.

Drew another Thorax from Corp stores, hoping they would get a breath of reality from somewhere.

But no. They know I'm primarily a miner. Their best thought for the evening?

Let's go to Torrinos and gank a miner.

Hmmm. 4-5 Thoraxes against a Retriever? (Guess they were afraid of Hulks) And they know I'm a miner?

THEIR Thorax is sitting in my depot now, with an appropriate name.

Yes, you know who I'm talking about, but you can't imagine how stupid they really are.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#239 - 2011-12-03 22:45:47 UTC
This thread is a masterpiece, i appreciate the time it took to write it.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
#240 - 2011-12-03 22:50:23 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
This thread is a masterpiece, i appreciate the time it took to write it.


And you are a pinhead.

I regret the waste of life force wasted on your creation.