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Let me tell you why people are killing highsec miners. A manifesto.

First post
Petrus Blackshell
#181 - 2011-12-02 18:23:22 UTC
I told myself I wouldn't comment, but I can't not. Great thread, 10/10, all that.

Mining as it stands as an activity is bot-fodder. Of course, there's no statistics on how many of the miners are actually botters, or they'd be banned already. However, enough of them are bot-like to the point of lack of self-preservation, which gives easy kills to suicide gankers.

Whether they kill miners for kicks, to pad killboards, or for an extensively-documented ideological crusade against bots is irrelevant. The beatings need to continue until morale improves (and the only ones being killed are bots). Or, until the mining system improves.

Look at PI, the other monotonous industry "I don't want to be bothered by PvP" activity. It doesn't even require you to be on site to make profit. However, it requires skill and knowledge beyond just knowing how to fit your ship (which is honestly a 10-minute endeavor in EFT). There are tons of good suggestions in F&I on how to do this, and I don't see suicide ganking stopping until botting and AFK mining stops.

To those who have pointed out that mission runners are just as bad, that is true, but they are also harder to operate with a bot. This results in a player being actually there, which can cause interesting consequences if you, say, do some ninja salvaging.

Rock on, OP, and keep resembling, at the same time, Mittani, karttoon, and that dude who led Germany in WWII whose name I can't type on the forums.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

State Protectorate
Caldari State
#182 - 2011-12-02 18:25:44 UTC
I didn't even begin to read all that. It looks like a very ponderous rationalization of why you kill high sec miners.

Who cares?

I kill people in high sec because I can and because it is fun.

Whether or not they deserve it doesn't enter into it in the least.
Krios Ahzek
Goonswarm Federation
#183 - 2011-12-02 18:29:37 UTC
Wolf Kruol wrote:
This is all that needs to be said,

Quote Malcanis
"You consent to PvP when you undock your ships, whether you accept this or not. There is no entitlement to safety."

Actually you can get PVP'ed while still docked. Even If you merely buy at sell order prices you're technically being robbed of ISK.

Ulstan wrote:

Who cares?

Evidently, everyone who answered truthfully or commented sincerely on this glorious thread. That includes you

 Though All Men Do Despise Us

Thomas Abernathy
Beekeepers Anonymous
#184 - 2011-12-02 18:35:05 UTC
This is very confusing, are people still getting ganked in highsec?
My personal Icebelt is pretty much Goon free, in fact they leave the system when I show up...Oops
I'm beginning to think the Bees find the odor from my pod offensive...Sad

Oh, and OP, you should get a job as a spam bot, cause you'd be great at it.

"Fighting CCD since 2139"

Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#185 - 2011-12-02 18:35:48 UTC
What a load of self-serving drivel that was.

So basically you are saying that if I need minerals to make the stuff I sell, I have to buy them from some OTHER miners (such as the ones in nullsec who are completely innocent of botting) instead of mining them myself because if I do so, I am evil and I am protecting botters, and I deserve to be killed and harrassed because I'm trying to turn myself into a bot?

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
#186 - 2011-12-02 18:36:52 UTC
I bet he just typed the first 2 posts, and the other 8 are just copy/pastes from a cooking website or something.


State Protectorate
Caldari State
#187 - 2011-12-02 18:39:30 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Ulstan wrote:

Who cares?

Evidently, everyone who answered truthfully or commented sincerely on this glorious thread. That includes you

There's always that one guy in a thread who really, really cares whether or not other people care :D

I don't care why James kills high sec miners. You don't need a reason at all, really. You do it because you can.

All that matters is what you can do, and what you cannot do.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#188 - 2011-12-02 18:48:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Whoever said you are not entitled to safe doesnt know how to invest in safety entitlements.

How you invest into safety however is really up to you.

I just drift around and do silly things not normally predictable.

Now that I think about it think its about time of the year again for me to cloak up somewhere and observe the nearby wildlife (nulls sec allainces)

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Krios Ahzek
Goonswarm Federation
#189 - 2011-12-02 19:06:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Krios Ahzek
Here's a much more entertaining version of this manifesto.
It's quite simply the perfect text for this.
Warning, R-rated.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us

Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#190 - 2011-12-02 19:10:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Nephilius
Bill Lane wrote:
You're an idiot. Finished the whole first post, wasn't worth my time to continue on.

This. I don't really need to paw through the trash to know there is nothing of value in it.

Quite honestly, the OP would have made Goebbels proud. The pure amount of rhetoric and propaganda contained in all those initial posts lays shame upon all the bullsh*t excuses previously spewed forth by madmen, murderers, and dictators in the annals of history. And that's what it is, total bullsh*t, and the OP hopes the fumes from such vast amount of offal will rob the reader of both senses and reason.

Two things that stood out to me. The OP admits to a hatred of miners, yet makes the claim of being a neutral observer. Shenanigans. That is an impossible feat. Let me give you an example of objectivity...

I do not agree with the playstyle of those who choose to mine, but I respect both that they pay for their sub, and they are allowed to play how they choose to.

To be truly objective, you must be apathetic, removed emotionally from whatever it is that you are discussing. Emotion of any kind will tip the scales one way or the other. So yeah, pretty much made the rest of it less editorial and more angry manifesto or hate propaganda.

The funniest, and rather moat ironic thing is the mention of both goons and bots. Though not actually not mentioned in the same sentence, I don't even think I need to delve deeper into that subject.

If anything, a post such as this obfuscates the true reason behind Hulkageddon and The Great Ice Interdiction. In no particular order...

A) KMs. Take those away and watch the entire PvP community suffer from the DTs en masse.
B) Griefing. Some people just aren't happy unless they are pissing in some else's Post Toasties.
C) Brown Nosing. Posts like this really feel like attempts at gaining approval from those with higher status than the author currently possesses. It makes me laugh to watch people sift through the droppings of those they wish to please most.

At any rate, while I do enspouse a live and let live policy concerning how others play the game, I'm rather put off to think that there are people out there who insist on insulting both my intelligence and the intelligence of the community in general. You want to gank people? Super, knock yourself out. Have a blast. Just don't try to spoon feed me a big bowl of Frosted F*ck-Me-Overs in the form of such drivel. You aren't going to impress anyone with such words.
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#191 - 2011-12-02 19:13:07 UTC
who paid you James 315? for this propaganda crap?
Kaivar Lancer
#192 - 2011-12-02 19:14:53 UTC
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#193 - 2011-12-02 19:37:17 UTC
The mountain of text, while impressive, misses the point entirely.

You do it out of boredom.

NULL is nothing but blue and your trigger finger itches.

Miners are a toothless and defenseless kill mail that provides the occasional tantrum as a bonus.

I don't understand the tantrum throwers, though (And this is coming from someone who plays mostly industrial characters)

Every sandbox has that kid who sits in the corner and eats the sand. Eve is no different. Pinheads gotta play too. :)

I just whip out another exhumer and carry on.

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#194 - 2011-12-02 19:41:49 UTC
The TL;DR of this is eponymous.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Mr Bill Bravor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#195 - 2011-12-02 19:59:23 UTC
People gank the miners Hi-Sec miners because if attacked the Russian or Goons it would be too much for them to handle. They have bots also and blob warfare is about as mind numbing as high-sec mining.

Arlbash Dested
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#196 - 2011-12-02 20:02:09 UTC
I have but one rebuttal point, imagine if tomorrow CCP came and said "We're going to make hisec totally safe, from now on weapons can only be activated on rats and WT's." There would be absolute OUTCRY!! VERY few people would support this course of action.
This is because of ONE simple reason, this would restrict the way people play THEIR game, that THEY PAY for, either with hard earned isk or with RL money.

Or the way we could think about this is that it allows other people (carebears) to play the game they want to without being harassed by gankers (to be generous and call them that).
Suppose they did announce that - where would those complainers go? Low and null-sec - there's plenty of space there to fight over.

High sec is for carebears who don't want to bother with the rest of you. So far, the CB's tolerate an occasional gank, but why should they even have to tolerate that much? Especially when there are true bastards like the OP, or people who just revel in other people's misery.

My other two points remain:
1) if CCP worked to make the rest of the game more interesting, the gankers wouldn't get so bored to begin with.
2) if you want us to treat ships as throwaways, then don't make us work so hard (long) to earn them. How long did that first Raven or Hulk take you to get? Probably a few weeks at least, months if you include training time.

Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#197 - 2011-12-02 20:07:14 UTC
You know the fact that I and some of my cohorts mine in Hulk Gangs quite frequently (in High Sec no less and bank interesting amounts of isk due to bonuses, implants, and mindlinks) and the fact that that enrages you enough to write the wall of text you just did...

Makes me LolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLolLol
Pavel Bidermann
Gallente Federation
#198 - 2011-12-02 20:29:21 UTC
OP is just some idiotic ganker how's using "words" to try to make himself feel better. We get it. You can't fight ships that can fit guns. Ratting's too scarry for you and missions are too hard. P

You're just shooting miners because they can't shoot back. If you really wanted to kill bots you would be in null. Oh, that's right. Your null sec alliances have standing policies against shooting those bots. Goons very publicly pointed out their policy of not shooting goon bots a little while back. After all, they're important to the alliance wallet. Gotta pay for that sov!

Section 8.
#199 - 2011-12-02 22:30:42 UTC
Nephilius wrote:
Quite honestly, the OP would have made Goebbels proud.


Wasn't there just a thread about what is a 10/10 troll thread?
Myrdraeus Keaunt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#200 - 2011-12-02 22:52:27 UTC
What about the hi-sec miner that's AFK mining to pay for a suicide ganking habit?

10 pages of argument just dusted with one question. HAH!