Player Features and Ideas Discussion

vaga has that already

I'll get together with the other balance guys and talk about the Cynabal asap and get back to you all. We talked initially about the overlap between Angel and Minmatar and decided to try and make it work without making large changes. All three Angel ships are very popular (relative to other pirate faction ships) and generally regarded as 'fun' as far as I know, so risking negative impact with a bigger change didn't seem worthwhile.

I'll make sure we take another look though.

Meh.

Keep shifting numbers in db, maybe at some point you will come out with something worth to be called expansion.

Sadly you are not right ... if you get 12 effective medium drones without even mounting gun... i would expect there should be some sort of compensation.

I don't want to complain on it ... luckily for me i got 60 gilas and around 70 worms ... gonna sell it then complain hahahaha

Please reconsider and remove the 90% web bonus from all serp ships or nerf it , removing it from the ashimmu is a great start, but don't leave it on the serp hulls.

In my experience 90% webs have two primary in game uses, that is to make gate camps inescapable because you cannot re-approach or it is extremely difficult in even the fastest ships, or they are used to slow ships down to the point where dreads track them so you can blap them. Neither of these mechanics are particularly desirable imo. Gate camping is pretty lame and so is dread blapping.

If you do want to keep a web strength bonus in game, how about this, keep it at 90% on the DD and then have the strength drop off on the vigi and the vindi, the bigger the hull the lower the strength of the web. That makes it possible to at least try to blap a DD on a gate and get out if you run across a camp using 90% webs and it nerfs dread blapping at the same time and gives you a better chance to re-approach if you run into someone camping with Vigilants for example.

So say 90% web on on the DD and 80% on the Vigi and 70% on the Vindi for web strength as figures I just pulled out of the air.

"and frees it from overlap with the Ishtar (which simply does sentries better)" didn't need to mention that last part.

Regarding vaga vs cynabal -

The only thing the cyna has going for it is an extra mid and some extra drones. The vaga has better tank, better cap (which is huge on mwd kite cruiser), better tank, etc.

Give the cynabal a double damage bonus (ie, same damage as now), 15% falloff (from 10%) and the old deimos mwd bonus. Maybe also give it small warp speed bonus (like same speed as t2 cruiser)

75% webs are twice as strong as 60% webs. I think your numbers are pretty decent, although maybe go 90/80/75 for web strength

Ashimu losing a high slot: No No No No No!!!

what is the ash supposed to do? Be the cruiser that counters logi by neuting. If you take away a high slot the only amount of neuting it will be able to do with reasonable cap stability is about -100 GJ/s. That is not enough to neut out a double-cap-X-ferring logi. The ash NEEDS its current highslot layout. It does not need the additional lowslot, it tanks fine. So there!

*whew*
Gila: great idea.
Phantasm: I lack input until I eft it.
Cyna: great. Expected.
Vigilant: It was already fine, but I still regret the -90% webs only when used with blap dreads.

hey if we are going for crazy role bonus why not make angel ships mwd not shut down by scrams!??!?!?!

so basically all angel ships would be pre nano nerf ships.