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I think some very good points have been made in this tthread thank you all for participating. I would like us now to focus our efforts on contacting our CSM's and even CCP to let them know that WiS is still something many players wish to see to some extent.

Maybe there is a compromise where CCP can give limited additions to the station and WiS environment? Either way i trust CCP to keep the game going for years to come.

It's not that people are opposed to development of WiS, it's that people are opposed to finite development resources being wasted on useless fluff instead of being utilized for core FiS stuff.

If they had limitless development resources, sure, go nuts! But they don't, which means that any development done on WiS is coming out of the budget for FiS, and there are very few aspects of new FiS development that are unimportant enough
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

But it will still be nice to go and stab in the back that guys that plays station games..
Before he has time to press undock again the second time

Or shoot them like in the video CCP did last year

To be really honest, I support the fact that CCP focused back on spaceships, because clearly theres still so much to do in that regard (and I would welcome some helpful changes to UI which is used to invent and produce said spaceships and their gear).

Now about WiS. I'm well after the let down Incarna has caused. I have accepted it as a bump in the road, and fully support CCP in the direction they've chosen for the game. Acceptance means I'm not using the feature right now, except to take an occassional screenshot or two for my blog posts.

Why I'm not using WiS? Not because it's badly implemented, or the graphics is poor. I'm not using it but because it doesn't offer anything meaningful for the technical cost of having it enabled (noticeably longer loading times). Even allowing us to watch Twitch streams on the monitors in the CQ would make me want to use the avatar mode now and then. But in it's current state, it could as well be disabled in the client, to reduce the hard disk footprint of the game.

Question to CCP is: are there ANY, even LONG TERM plans to do anything about the "red button"? Plans to expand the environment available to avatars and maybe room for some meaningful gameplay? I remember that EVA exploration that was supposed to be a source of player made implants, and now ghost sites do exactly that, so it seems that idea has died already.

I have seen many ideas to make it more meaningful, that wouldn't swamp entire CCP studio with avatar related features for a year or so (examples: allowing ppl to collect trophies, customize their CQ or watch Twitch streams on the monitors, designing bigger levels to walk around. Allowing ppl to walk faster would also be welcome).

I mean, if there are no plans at all to do anything about WiS, it could as well be removed from the game entirely. It serves no purpose and wastes disk space.

As a station dweller who does almost nothing but trade, I can get back into WiS if CCP at least let's us open up some vendors in public areas while also acting like a thief and stealing from other vendors.

Problem with walk in stations is its just technology demo. Its hay look how cool we can make this thing look like... its nowhere near ready for actual use in way CCP claimed we would be able to walk around...

Personally i don't care if that door remains for ever welded shut, this game has tons of other things that need fixing badly. For example: have you ever try ed to run Invention jobs in professional level, its click fest mess... You cant even pick up 10 bpc and say invent all these... Do it one by one...

Let the walk in station be in grave it deserves, fix rest of the game...

no no no...this game is about internet spaceships. We won't have any of this talk in here ok? I'm a very intolerant person that wants you to shut your trap right now...

Oh wait...thats not me! MOAR INDUSTRY UPDATES!!!

and WiS too! lol

just a note...

some of you say that CCP scrapped it to focus on spaceships...but in the last 4 years we haven't really got much (especially in the last 2). I mean look at Rubicon...they are more glorified patches than anything else. So where have all the developers who were on Incarna gone? It definitely hasnt gone to spaceships!

I think WIS as an idea won't die. They probably have backups of the stuff they worked on archived. I think CCP has a lot up their sleive they thought about and put on hold or develop without anyone telling. See the EVA prototype. See Valkyrie, which people like. See Dust which people like in theory as well. What went wrong is hard to say without inside info. They probably thought they could approach this like they approach the second decade right now and phase things in slowly. The decline in subscriptions got in the way and they put that on hold. Maybe they told the players too early. I mean if we look at Retribution and Odyssey, well... Is it so hard to believe that Rubicon is not just in the works since the summer? 6 months seem like a pretty short period to plan the next... 5 years? On the other hand WIS was a big change so it's probably fair they told the players.

To the people who say "don't waste my eve dev time". It's not yours. It's not mine. Just take a break. Go start a balancing thread.

Props to the guys who actually have arguments.

P.S.: Fittings are like spaceship dress ups.

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