EVE General Discussion

You never know, I would do it..

EDIT: What I mean by I would do it is, risk a T1 BS fitted to T2, whats the issue in losing that? In fact it would likely mean you do incursions with a better group of people, because I find those bragging about their 67bn fits tedious in the extreme.

How about mildly irritated...

This is what perplexes me to no end. Becuase it's ape in the jungle kncukle draggingly stupid.

If the goal was to get more people to shoot, why would we be explaining to people that null sec isk isn't truly all that great compared to high sec?

That makes peeerrfect sense. "Hey dude, come to null sec, none of the advantages of high ec, but a with 2% more isk!!!


I'm a pve player, if you aren't a blood raider or serp I don't give a damn about you lol. But I despise the common lies high sec people tell about things, like how "safe" the part of eve space with the most ship deaths is.....

2% more isk huh... the things you learn on general discussion

In a similar manner, I assume, to the fashion in which the OP of this thread, Infinity Ziona, questions the sexual preferences of people in another thread, starting with this post?

I mean, not to discuss moderation or anything, it's just always good to have clarification. I have full confidence in the fairness and upright nature of the ISDs, of course.

The only fact you offer is that you name call when you don't have any facts you can add to the debate.


#1 there are no guarenteed anoms in npc null, you have to roam, and that means cloak warp trick to move an effective ratter/plexer, and eventual loss to a bubble, or it means you have multiple accounts, a scout and beyond casual imo.

#2 you only get guarenteed anoms in sov null if you have run in a tcu (hauler), ihub (freighter) and arrays (hauler)

#3 you only get guarenteed anoms after you farm up military 1 and keep it there (it even has to be there to do the installs). That was at 4mil isk/tick belt ratting for 10+ hours in the case of my system.

#4 you only get good guarenteed anoms by possessing a good truesec system, and farming far more than military 1 and installing very large arrays (jumpfreighter for 3 and 4 and freighter for 5, and I can't tell you what a pain it is to freighter stuff from concord stations to deep quiet null).

#5 systems spawn up 10-15 deds per month (gurista space which is now well farmed and thus the sigs are being moved on regularly). If you are a casual user logging on casually, you won't see many of them. note that roaming to take multiple systems sigs is its own danger, as is taking a long time about sigs.

#6 I get one escalation per 10 hours of anom farming, so if you are fairly casual, you'll see maybe 1 escalation per month, with some months having non because escalations are 1 in 60 chances, and thus horribly streaky, I can and do go 120 anoms without one.

In short the only way you get good content at your finger tips when you log on casually is if other people are carrying you, and generally people in null get pretty sick of that and boot you.

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A simple mind experiment for you.

I shot a bil isk of rats this month and pulled 3.7b of loot. If I employed one minion - there'd be a general expectation by that minion to pay 20% tax (ie 200m to rat as much as I do - since its the corp that pays rent), and to have a free run at the sigs (ie taking half). So the expected "cost" for me of hiring a minion to my corp would be 1.6b isk, and the worst case scenario would be the minion having access to the TZ directly ahead of me and taking most of the sigs, all the time.

Guess at how many minions can be shooting rats effectively at the same time in a -0.17 system ?

2, unless I've freightered in a level 5 array and we all farm enough to keep military 5, at which point I believe its maybe 5 or so (but I'm not away of any -0.17 "ish" systems with a pirate detector V), would take some map grovelling followed by covopsing to even find one to check if maybe it has the appropriate detector).

Where would the break even point for minions be (given that minions in bulk will eat all the sigs).

18.

ie I literally can't take on a casual wihtout it costing me unless I have 18 ratters well spread over TZs so as to ration the limited supply of good anoms, and then I have to find a hole for that casual to go into where they can take hubs, or they'll be doing 45mil/hr if and only if they have great skills, and I'd have to find 18 ratters that wanted to rat a crap system to begin with, and any one user would be looking at a 1/18th share of 10-15 sigs a month, and a few escalations if they were pretty active

Its time,

~Nerf Highsec~

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high sec is just more steady, less random.

well, except for the gankings.

Not to dig this back up I've gathered some new information which is relevant.

OP's claim about hauling the stuff out of null is that it's easy and safe to find a WH to hisec and that's how he/she exports the stuff. Well, about a week ago I moved to null with my scout, into a dead end system, and have been trying to scan down a WH to hisec through which to move my ratting ship and other stuff into the system safely (all corridors into the area are camped 23/7 and I almost lost my scout just getting down there in the first place).

I've been casually scanning the system itself and the 3-4 adjacent systems (if I go any further than 3-4 hops I run into gate camps), and i've been scanning them pretty regularly, a few times a day every day. So far I have found 4 wormholes, all leading into nullsec space, none into HiSec.

So, the notion that you can easily export your stuff from Null by finding a WH into hisec space is not very true. I am not sure how often this type of WH spawns, but like I said i've been trying to find one for a week unsuccessfully. Null is full of gatecamps everywhere. If you find a quiet pocket, expect to only be able to go a few hops before running into one. That means a limited amount of systems where you can safely look for that WH.

Hrm.... I thought this thread was locked.

Shouldn't we be talking about how great Star Citizen is instead of debating Hi-sec incomes? I mean hell. Walking around in the hanger in Star Citizen now is more than walking around in our locked Rooms in EVE. At least they can walk in their ships.

We can keep arguing though. I believe no matter how little high-sec makes, people will be mad and jealous.

Funny thing though, I was told recently to go to null sec to earn my plex's instead of wasting my time in high sec.