These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Player Features and Ideas Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

[Odyssey 1.1] Dominix bonus change

First post First post
Author
Hell Bitch
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-08-08 12:36:08 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Hell ***** wrote:
bonus's (boni, i know)


NO!

The plural of bonus is bonuses

Anyone who tells you otherwise is an uneducated pretentious idiot.


I couldn't agree more, but this is the EVE forums, with more trolls than a Tolkien novel.
Akturous
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-08-08 12:38:15 UTC
Of far more importance is to change the drone assist mechanics to a similar system as fighters, that's the problem with domi fleets, not 10%/lvl, though it's a wee bit excessive.

Vote Item Heck One for CSM8

Smagd
Encina Technologies
#23 - 2013-08-08 12:40:33 UTC
TBH fixing tracking will probably fix sentries, too.

There's still the drone assist mechanic e. g. for large swarms of warriors II.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#24 - 2013-08-08 12:41:56 UTC
Cameron Zero wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Anharat wrote:
>has nothing to do with the tournament
>publishes the change right after the tournament
seems legit


If I could place a bounty on you for this awful post, I would.


You CAN place a bounty on them. Sad you can't put a detail as to why, though. (Y'all are on the CSM, "fix it!")

Also, I thought Goons were the kings of tinfoil hattery, or is that just everyone else? Blink


Mynnna is I think referring to the much requested, long awaited forum feature whereby you can bounty someone directly through the forum itself.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2013-08-08 12:43:24 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Mynnna is I think referring to the much requested, long awaited forum feature whereby you can bounty someone directly through the forum itself.

Heh Lol

My dream changes:

- All eWar revised to use a base number (sensor strength, rename to electronics something) as a target, ie. same as current ECM functionality. Upon succeeding the effects are applied as normal.
- ECCM changed to reducing twiddle time as well as doubling sensor strength towards that adversary for one cycle after having been successfully jammed (ie. a definitive end to perma jamming).
- FW Implants keep their sensor strength boost (albeit a little lower than now) and will thus be the alpha/omega of eWar defense.
- All eWar revised according to the highly successful ECM revamp so that mods themselves are weak'ish while racial hulls sport a massive bonus to their use.
- TD's renamed to Targeting Disruption and allowed to affect missile explosion radius/speed dependent on script used (ie. not range, because that's silly .. how do you drain a missiles fuel from afar?)

And the bit relevant to topic at hand:
- Drones to use cap for weapons/propulsion thus making them neuting/void targets. Madly high recharge but low reservoirs (to avoid the obvious NOS exploit), enough to stop them for just 2-3 volleys worth if/when cap is alpha'ed
- Drone flights are to be considered a ship borne weapon system (even when user might not want them to be), meaning that a flight of drones are treated as a single unit and susceptible to eWar on an equal footing with the drone carrier (ie. use the mothers stat).
It is quite frankly insane that drone ships are effectively able to outsource their primary weapons with close to zero downsides in case of being eWar'ed. They keep the ability to scoop/launch to foil eWar like they do damage.
- New skill (or attached to existing) that sets a limit to how many flight any one person can control, suggestion would be to use the skill Combat Drones (rank 2) and allow one or two flights per skill level.
NB: Might also tie the limit to hull sizes so that a frig can handle just one outsourced flight and a BS can handle 5-10.
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#26 - 2013-08-08 12:43:29 UTC
Hell ***** wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Hell ***** wrote:
bonus's (boni, i know)


NO!

The plural of bonus is bonuses

Anyone who tells you otherwise is an uneducated pretentious idiot.


I couldn't agree more, but this is the EVE forums, with more trolls than a Tolkien novel.

And I just realized we have _three_ valid plurals for bonus in German... Seems to be the general attitude lately, allowing more spellings to reduce mistakes -.-
Victor Rayl
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#27 - 2013-08-08 12:46:13 UTC
Can't say i'm against the change but I agree: the real problem are assist mechanics, or rather the inconsistency to the other weapon systems. The real solution would be to either disable the assistance command altogether or implement it for all weapons across the board.
As the latter would benefit multiboxers too much for my taste AND would make fleet combat even more boring, I am in favor of the former, i.e. get rid of the assist command.
Akturous
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-08-08 12:53:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Akturous
You don't have to get rid of it silly, you just limit it to assisting five drones to one person, like it should be and that's only if they don't have drones themselves, otherwise they're SOL.

Vote Item Heck One for CSM8

Anharat
Cutting Edge Incorporated
#29 - 2013-08-08 12:53:46 UTC
Sephira Galamore wrote:
Hell ***** wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Hell ***** wrote:
bonus's (boni, i know)


NO!

The plural of bonus is bonuses

Anyone who tells you otherwise is an uneducated pretentious idiot.


I couldn't agree more, but this is the EVE forums, with more trolls than a Tolkien novel.

And I just realized we have _three_ valid plurals for bonus in German... Seems to be the general attitude lately, allowing more spellings to reduce mistakes -.-


The only correct plural form for bonus, that doesn't make you look like an uncivilized barbarian, is boni.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#30 - 2013-08-08 12:56:54 UTC
So Dominix and Ishtar will have the exact same bonuses on their sentries and also have the same drone bay? That seems a little... weird. Shouldn't a battleship have a higher raw damage output?

Not that I'm complaining... new Ishtar looks delicious. But as always, battleships get the short straw again.

.

CCP Rise
C C P
C C P Alliance
#31 - 2013-08-08 13:14:37 UTC
We are obviously aware of the conversation around drone assist and this change doesn't really aim to have a massive effect on sentry-doctrines as a whole. Drone assist is a much larger issue and we aren't looking to make any changes to it for 1.1. We would love to do work on drones overall, but for now I can't make any promises about when that will happen or how it will look.

@ccp_rise

Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#32 - 2013-08-08 13:17:48 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Harvey James will be pleased.


I don't know what you're talking about Cool

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-08-08 13:17:57 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Cameron Zero wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Anharat wrote:
>has nothing to do with the tournament
>publishes the change right after the tournament
seems legit


If I could place a bounty on you for this awful post, I would.


You CAN place a bounty on them. Sad you can't put a detail as to why, though. (Y'all are on the CSM, "fix it!")

Also, I thought Goons were the kings of tinfoil hattery, or is that just everyone else? Blink


Mynnna is I think referring to the much requested, long awaited forum feature whereby you can bounty someone directly through the forum itself.


You both need to raise this every day, forever.

The Dominix change seems pretty sensible to me, and they're still going to be nasty, just not quite so. (Remember how in the T1 BS changes thread people said that no-one would ever fly a Dominix over a Geddon?)

Quote:

So Dominix and Ishtar will have the exact same bonuses on their sentries and also have the same drone bay? That seems a little... weird. Shouldn't a battleship have a higher raw damage output?


The Dominix is fatter, has more EHP and has room for bigger guns/large reps. Gives it staying power.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#34 - 2013-08-08 13:19:45 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
So Dominix and Ishtar will have the exact same bonuses on their sentries and also have the same drone bay? That seems a little... weird. Shouldn't a battleship have a higher raw damage output?

Not that I'm complaining... new Ishtar looks delicious. But as always, battleships get the short straw again.


You can put 6 guns on a Domi compared to 4 medium guns on an ishtar so... if i add it up ... oh yes Domi still wins :)

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#35 - 2013-08-08 13:23:48 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Cameron Zero wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Anharat wrote:
>has nothing to do with the tournament
>publishes the change right after the tournament
seems legit


If I could place a bounty on you for this awful post, I would.


You CAN place a bounty on them. Sad you can't put a detail as to why, though. (Y'all are on the CSM, "fix it!")

Also, I thought Goons were the kings of tinfoil hattery, or is that just everyone else? Blink


Mynnna is I think referring to the much requested, long awaited forum feature whereby you can bounty someone directly through the forum itself.


I fully support and/or endorse that product and/or service.

Bounties from the forum? YES PLEASE! :D

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. …"

Mag's
Azn Empire
#36 - 2013-08-08 13:25:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Anharat wrote:


The only correct plural form for bonus, that doesn't make you look like an uncivilized barbarian, is boni.
I see what you did there.

Oh and good change. Cool

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#37 - 2013-08-08 13:25:36 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Hell ***** wrote:
bonus's (boni, i know)


NO!

The plural of bonus is bonuses

Anyone who tells you otherwise is an uneducated pretentious idiot.

I love how her name is apparently allowed in the game (so far, at least), but not on the forums.
CCP Rise
C C P
C C P Alliance
#38 - 2013-08-08 13:25:45 UTC
Quote:
(Remember how in the T1 BS changes thread people said that no-one would ever fly a Dominix over a Geddon?)


Glad someone else remembers this =)

@ccp_rise

Anharat
Cutting Edge Incorporated
#39 - 2013-08-08 13:25:51 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Drone assist is a much larger issue and we aren't looking to make any changes to it for 1.1. .


This is disappointing. Time to up my media library so i can watch movies while my sentry boat shoots what the FC points at for the next year.

Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2013-08-08 13:25:58 UTC
Darn, just when I finished training for Domi's, wham I get hit with the nerf bat.

R.I.P. Vile Rat