EVE General Discussion

UGH social Darwinism is pernicious and wrong. First couple pages of this thread were uglier than usual.

Bosena, Qualm Singulari sniping indies and everything in Amarr battleships. I fly me reaper out to loot wrecks, just to be a ****. POW now i'm in Heild, jump or so away where i have me clone.
Charge in reaper! POW
WaaaaAAARRgggHH POW
Hey you guise wats goin POW

Eventually there was this cloud of my corpses and wrecks. One guy asked if he got loyalty points podding me and i'm like SURE WHY NOT KNOCK YOURSELF OUT.
POW
Yargh my anus! POW
Think of the children POW
Wait don't shoot POW


They all docked up. I came back in a wreathe and made 7 trips moving all the loot they left. It really is no fun when the victim is having fun with it. Spaec adventure gaem allows you to entirely embrace the punk rock concept of accepting the terms of your enemy's attack and even siding with your enemy in that attack.

The egotists in eve are the cruellest and at the same time the most susceptible to suffering, funny how that works.
TLDR for the livestock: Flexibility allows speed

Obligatory disclaimers to address the ever-present trolls:

1) Yes, you can find a recent kill on the killboards of a noobship impairor, which happened in a 0.4 sec system.

2) No, that incident isn't what "caused" this post. This kind of thing has been going on ever since I first started the game over a month ago. It is just the latest thing to make me chuckle, shake my head, and question exactly what is going on.

3) No, I have half a billion in funds right at the moment, so I could care less about the loss of the free noobship, nor the loss of the half-a-mil venture I lost right before it, nor the loss of another venture before that one, nor... (blah blah).

4) No, these aren't "carebear tears" or "noobtears" or blah blah, but if you like to "feast" on such things, and you want to imagine that they are, knock yourself out, and more power to you.

5) No, I don't want anything changed about the game.

6) No, I don't want this, or other practices banned.

7) Yes, I understand that PvP can occur anytime in this game, and that you are never "truly safe," least of all in low-sec or null sec or whatever.

So, is there some relevant point I'm missing to what I will call "seemingly mindless PvP?" I'm asking because I truly don't know the answer (in other words, maybe there is a relevant point and I just don't know what it is).

Definition of terms:

RELEVANT POINT - Something that serves a strategic, tactical, or economic gaming purpose (procurement of resources; acquiring a strategic, tactical, or economic advantage; denial of such things to a rival; etc). Examples: 1) Piracy where you actually take somebody's stuff. 2) Killing mining (or other) ships in a system claimed by a corporation you work for (i.e. defending assets). 3) Hell, even honing your skills by taking on a ship that might offer some sort of challenge to you.

SEEMINGLY MINDLESS PVP - PvP which seems to have no relevant point (see above). Examples: 1) Attacking and blowing up noobships with ships that are ridiculously overpowered compared to noobships when there is absolutely nothing to gain economically, militarily, strategically, tactically, or otherwise.

Anyway, as far as I know, you don't earn "experience points" in this game by killing stuff, do you? And in the examples I am referring to, there is no piracy happening (stuff isn't taken from the victim - in fact there isn't any stuff to take). There are no assets being defended by the perpetrator because the perpetrator is never in a corp which owns the system in question (in fact, as far as I know 0.4 sec can't be owned by player corps), and the perpetrator seems to be operating as a "lone wolf."

At any rate, anytime - I repeat anytime - I venture into a system with less than 0.5 security, I get killed by what I have termed "seemingly mindless PvP," meaning I can see no relevant point to being aggressed. It always occurs in the exact same fashion, with the exact same hallmarks:

1) Perpetrator's ship is hilariously overpowered compared to mine - Drakes, Tengus, etc. vs. noobships.

2) Perpetrator's ship is always cloaked.

3) Perpetrator always uses some kind of hilariously overpowered missle or torpedo or bomb which essentially one-shots my noobship.

4) Perpetrator always takes huge delight in "winning" this engagement, and really seems to "get off" on it. Perpetrator seems to believe he's made some sort of huge accomplishment.

Usually I'm messaged by the perpetrator. The conversation always goes the same. This was the conversation from a recent engagement:

EDIT: Chat logs may not be posted except in certain forums. General discussion is not one of them. Therefore the chat has been deleted - ISD Tyrozan

Believe it or not, I actually did start working on creating as many noobships as I could, for the express purpose of towing them over to this guy in my industrial ship, and hopping in them one by one so he could kill them all. However, midway through the process I had to stop playing the game to address a real life concern.

I used to go into these lower-sec systems simply to explore my way around the game (I'm merely talking 0.4 systems, not 0 secs or negative secs). After all, all I ever read on the forums is put-downs of so-called "carebears," high-sec'ers, people who live in high-sec or don't venture into low sec, etc. But nowadays, I simply venture to these places once in a while to count down how long it takes to be killed in the exact same fashion as mentioned above (usually less than 2 minutes).

Oh, these events happen in different systems, not the same system. And the perpetrators are different, not the same.

To reiterate the question before concluding this post, is there any relevant point that I am missing? I understand there could be "irrelevant points" - getting off on blowing something to smithereens which poses no challenge or threat to you whatsoever, bullying, etc. (like beating up a cripple).

If a corp can control traffic through a system by means of violence then it's their system until someone can kick them out, despite the game mechanics not being there to legitimise their claim, it happens in highsec, lowsec and NPC nullsec.

UGH social Darwinism is pernicious and wrong. First couple pages of this thread were uglier than usual.

Bosena, Qualm Singulari sniping indies and everything in Amarr battleships. I fly me reaper out to loot wrecks, just to be a ****. POW now i'm in Heild, jump or so away where i have me clone.
Charge in reaper! POW
WaaaaAAARRgggHH POW
Hey you guise wats goin POW

Eventually there was this cloud of my corpses and wrecks. One guy asked if he got loyalty points podding me and i'm like SURE WHY NOT KNOCK YOURSELF OUT.
POW
Yargh my anus! POW
Think of the children POW
Wait don't shoot POW


They all docked up. I came back in a wreathe and made 7 trips moving all the loot they left. It really is no fun when the victim is having fun with it. Spaec adventure gaem allows you to entirely embrace the punk rock concept of accepting the terms of your enemy's attack and even siding with your enemy in that attack.

The egotists in eve are the cruellest and at the same time the most susceptible to suffering, funny how that works.
TLDR for the livestock: Flexibility allows speed

slightly off topic: are there any NRDS alliances in EVE these days?

god damn that's a shitload of tears.

and I honestly don't understand what you're missing, it's simple: Blowing up ships is fun. Killing other players in vidya games is fun.

That's it.

Really.

The point to anything in EVE is just doing something you enjoy (or doing things you don't enjoy to better enable you to do things you do enjoy later...)