EVE General Discussion

You've included a myriad of disclaimers and definitions in your OP as a feeble attempt to thwart any actual discussion at all on this (already well covered) topic. Regardless of how you try to justify it, there is one glaring fact that there simply is no getting around: EVE Online revolves around the destruction of spaceships.

"But missions..."

No.

"But mining..."

No.

"But trading..."

No.

"But..."

NO. Any advancement beyond newbship content requires more advanced gear, which is all generated by the player-driven economy. The best example of "seemingly mindless PvP" that I can think of comes from the most unlikely of places: the Market Discussions forum. There's a mercenary who is very well funded because he regularly posts his pod kills in Jita. Who funds him? Players who manufacture and sell implants.

Think about that for a moment. A bunch of traders who don't engage in PvP, and some don't even undock, are supplying another player with ships and equipment to blow up other ships for the sole purpose of earning a profit. To me, that "seemingly mindless PvP" is a prime example of what EVE Online is really all about.

I won't bother re-iterating the WHY of why you got blown up since you seem overly dismissive of the replies of experienced players.



All these quotes show you are not a very quick learner. If you put yourself in a bad situation and don't learn from it, how can you blame anyone but yourself if the exact same thing happens again? There are several ships you could have trained into by now which would allow you to explore the entirety of the map, including wormholes, by this time into your subscription.

Overall, you seem to expect immunity just because you want to go about your own business. Just let it be known that you need to learn how to deal with other players in order to do so. What gives you the right to expect complete freedom just because you are travelling in a woefully under-equipped ship?

I agree that there is no sport to killing noobships, but plenty of people here have pointed out just why they get blown up. Primarily, you are making yourself an easy target.

Learn to use the tools available to you and adapt to the situation

1. Learn to use the map to plan routes and find potential gatecamps

2. Learn how to use the d-scanner to see nearby or incoming ships within system and to scan gates before you warp onto them.

3. While plenty of other ships are also perfectly safe, covert-ops frigates are great for exploration.

4. If you don't want to be a victim, don't play like one.

There are many pilots around who are out there just to get that kill, whatever it may be. What their reasons are for wanting to kill me whatever I may be flying don't amount to anything. The fact that they will kill me if they can does. This holds true in lowsec, nullsec, even highsec.

If you need a reason for them to kill you, just pick one of many that have already been listed. The main reason is because killing other players in ships is what they do...............understand that and learn to be prepared for it, or..........be the sacrificial lamb and enjoy it.

Every engagement I have every been in, win or lose, has been a learning experience. Ask not what your attacker is getting out of killing you. Ask instead what, if anything, you learned from it. Make the experience worth something to you, and you will find the "why" of your opponent's motives matter less and less.

Clearly you haven't been watching youtube african safari predation videos. Hyenas pulled a being-born calf from a mother wildebeast's birth canal. Technically the thing still had its umbilicus attached.

Also a couple of players whose ships I splattered across a contact grid would probably like to argue with you about babies not being on the target list. Seriously, 2 weeks old, diving wormholes, blap.

Try again, except first wipe that silly moralistic view out of your eyes.

Haha, sorry, he would have to put a lot of bass in his voice and get a Texas accent to get my voice down right.

This whole thread has been very informative.

I'm relatively new and i was wondering the exact same things as the OP.

For example, i would go to low sec and run around asteroid belts to rat, then all of the sudden.. Whack! I would think "why did this dude in some way bigger and better stuff come along and blow my nice little kestrel up?"

Now i know.

There is nothing to be gained by not trying to kill the other dude.

But, Is there anything to lose by trying to kill the other dude? beyond ships of course?

Sec status i guess? is that it?

At which point why are you even bothering to have a discussion? You've placed the primary motivation for playing a video game outside of the reasons for playing a video game that revolves around PVP. If all you're after is an echo chamber, you could get that in your bathroom talking to yourself in the mirror.

Uhh... Ammunition is cheap and explosions are pretty? ...It was there?? ...What am I gonna do, NOT shoot you??? It's not like it takes a whole lot of motivation to [ctrl+click, F1] Jesus...

well, this means i'm definitely not winning Eve. :(