Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Based on the current proposed nerfs to Cal BS, are you really intending to boost their high/mid/low module systems in return to an equal degree? Or was the Caldari tear pitcher about drained and you figured, - hey, lets get it refilled for another round!? ^_^

I mean, if one's a Machariel pilot, nerfs on this scale would be understood as incoming. Otherwise, Cal BS? Really? Mmkay. Seems the time to adapt is on the horizon.

Honestly, if they want to nerf the Rokh tank, they should slice off some shield HP, not the resist bonus.

I dont necessarily agree with this, in larger fights theres usually enough Logistics to rep the damage on the field (Unless its overwhelming, in which case it makes little difference whether a Single % of Resist bonus is present), its usually more alpha that kills the target rather than inability to tank.

+1 Tilo! I have been arguing that point all along, add me to the list of dedicated Rokh pilots you have there.

I would also suggest again making remote reps give a resist penalty to the target for the duration of the rep, and a few seconds afterwards. That would do far more to balance out the broken effects of high resists + logi across all ships than a nerf to two select hulls.

Also, where is the resist discussion thread you promised CCP Rise?

The Raven improved slightly from its current position, but it's irrelevant because there's nothing the new Raven will be able to do that the Typhoon can't do better.

The scorpion is also improved, but it remains to be seen if it's enough when you account for the recent large nerfs to ECM.

The Rokh (along with the Abaddon) have been nerfed slightly while the primary nullsec fleet BS (Maelstrom) has been buffed for some unknown reason.

Overall there doesn't look like there's a single Caldari battleship that's going to come out of the balncing in a good position compared to any of the other options.

Done. ;)



I doubt that this future thread might somehow produce arguments that could negate our points - at all.

One really big argument against the Rokh nerf that hasn't been brought up (to my knowledge) is the following: How many Rokhs were used in the last 3 Alliance Tournaments (the ones I watched for the most part)? I remember a single match of note where Hydra Reloaded used an all Caldari blaster gang including a Rokh in ATVIII. But otherwise... Somebody sure isn't as lazy as me to search for the AT ship stats. ;)

Wouldn't the tournaments be a much better indicator of a ship's performance in total than huge blob fleet fights?

Cheers
Tilo R.

More comedy gold itt.

Do you seriously think that alliance tournament usage is indicative of in-game balance? Do you not understand point allocation per team and point cost in that artificial combat context? Does all eve combat involve a defined "arena" and limits on numbers or types of ships? Tell me how a ship that is currently tops on eve-kill is going to die off with this 1% nerf. Did you only read this thread and failed to notice that the Abaddon is similarly adjusted? Or, do you think that somehow the Rokh alone should be exempted from an overall adjustment of resist bonuses to 4% per level?

The whole point with the resist bonus adjustment is that now a level 5 ship skill will provide a 20% instead of 25% omni-resist buff, which will still be about the best bonus any ship can get. I don't think, and more importantly the devs don't think this will kill off Rokh usage and instead will bring more balance. And in that they will be correct.

It seems to me the Scorpion is going to fit quite well into armor BS gangs now with an extra low. Meanwhile show me equivalently useful options Amarr and Gallente will have for shield BS fleets. Lastly, cruises are slated for a buff. You have it right there from the horses mouth. So, stop whining.

No.

Um... The new Raven can... Move?

The Typhoon's alleged mobility advantage literally dissolves when you try to give it any EHP at all, given it's slot layout favoring armor tanking far more than shields. The Raven's new mobility (Since nothing in this context has changed on the raven- 1205m/s with 14.5s align time with a MWD on) seems to be quite high, which means it will at least be able to lurch briefly towards/away from enemy battleships to actually attempt to dictate range. Which the Typhoon will struggle to do when laden with plates and trimarks. Not to mention the fact that the Typhoon has like... No range. At all.

I think the goal here is to make it so that *maybe* the Raven is not pve-only.

From a PvE standpoint, though, my personal answers would be:
1) Not for PvE
2) We already know from the Golem that torps could use a bit more range to be fully effective.
3) If the velocity bonus got standard torps to 50-60km with max skills and no rigs, I'd feel differently from now, because mission battleships often like to hang out at 50km.

Regarding PvP: The new Raven can keep up with a Drake for a minute or two if they both run a MWD. I think there is potential here, and I await the missile changes with bated breath, but I still fear a nano-typhoon would be superior, especially if you have a friend for tackle. I think there's an argument to be made that missile velocity will make it harder for missiles to be avoided by running away from them, but I'm still learning about the relationship between theoretical and actual missile range when ships are running away or orbiting, so I don't have a useful gut feeling.