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[Odyssey] Tech 1 Battleships - Caldari

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Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#801 - 2013-06-01 22:06:26 UTC
anyone up for a shield boosting missile scorpion? instead of ecm..

'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?  ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

Aglais
Ice-Storm
#802 - 2013-06-02 01:26:33 UTC
Arrusses wrote:
So, let me get this strait. We have the race here in the most need of a bump, with almost legendary ineptitude in PvP, and here you come with your much anticipated balance. So what do we get?

We get the already confused Rokh exactly as it is, but with less tank

We get a raven that is outclassed by a mini ship in every way that matters for PvP (cap rate, mobility, drones, sig radius, mass, and of course damage application), and its already abysmal tank reduced.

And the Scorpion, which is "Healthy" in its role as a free kill, essentially unchanged.

Then, on top of it, they are nerfing the resist bonus; which effects essentially only Caldari and Amarr.

Boy, this will certainly make Caldari competitive!


Don't forget, they also increased the prices of the Raven and Scorpion so as to be closer (though not identical to) that of the Rokh.

Sure is a winning lineup, if we're defining 'winning' as 'doing the worst'.
Macgun90
Cold Nova Industries
#803 - 2013-06-02 05:36:58 UTC
Not the biggest fan of the Raven losing HP, its defenses were already okish at best to begin with and the slight hit to the resists bonus on the Rokh isnt so hot either. The Rokh however could really use some extra drone space. 50m3 is tiny for a battleship drone bay, an extra 25 m3 would fit it nicely but keep its bandwidth unchanged.

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Takanuro
Space-Brewery-Association
Local Is Primary
#804 - 2013-06-04 07:37:31 UTC
I've just been reading the patch notes and noticed the following ship stats:

Dominix - Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 7200(+1731) / 8000(+1789) / 8500(+1859).
Hyperion - Defense (shields / armor / hull): 7500 / 8000 / 8500.

Scorpion - Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 7000(+359) / 5500 / 6500(+1031).
Raven - Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 7000(-500) / 5800(-841) / 6400(-241).

Caldari BS's have less shield than Gallente ones? Is this really in keeping with Caldari's Shield technology focus?

Yes, we're going to die, but you're coming with us!

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#805 - 2013-06-04 08:38:01 UTC
The Raven is classed as an "Attack" battleship (smaller, faster, slightly fewer hp). You shouldn't be comparing it to the Hype, but to the Mega.

Scorp is a "Disruption" BS, and it's the only one, so there's no direct comparison. Although I might point out that it has 8 mids, so it should be able to shield tank well enough.

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Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#806 - 2013-06-04 13:27:54 UTC
and the scorp still has the wrong scanres after odyssey was released.

You said it would have 110 on the first post. Where is my 110 scanres scorp?!?

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StarKiller Shazih
Bonnie and Clyde Inc.
#807 - 2013-06-04 15:41:19 UTC
yall need to increase the power out put for the navy issue drake because it cant handle all the missile hard points and have a decent shield tank, or else it would just be a pve ship
StarKiller Shazih
Bonnie and Clyde Inc.
#808 - 2013-06-04 15:42:34 UTC
AND yall NEED to bring back the old hurricane and the drake to how they used to be because caldari milita is losing ground because of it (the drake obviously) and it was our back bone in the fight!
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#809 - 2013-06-04 16:45:37 UTC
Macgun90 wrote:
Not the biggest fan of the Raven losing HP, its defenses were already okish at best to begin with and the slight hit to the resists bonus on the Rokh isnt so hot either. The Rokh however could really use some extra drone space. 50m3 is tiny for a battleship drone bay, an extra 25 m3 would fit it nicely but keep its bandwidth unchanged.


The Rokh was literally unchanged besides its nerf..... quite shocking really when you consider it is a blasterboat or at least the caldari version so why is its mobility so far short of the Hyperion... the other combat ship???

'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?  ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

Aglais
Ice-Storm
#810 - 2013-06-04 20:32:11 UTC
Jonas Sukarala wrote:
Macgun90 wrote:
Not the biggest fan of the Raven losing HP, its defenses were already okish at best to begin with and the slight hit to the resists bonus on the Rokh isnt so hot either. The Rokh however could really use some extra drone space. 50m3 is tiny for a battleship drone bay, an extra 25 m3 would fit it nicely but keep its bandwidth unchanged.


The Rokh was literally unchanged besides its nerf..... quite shocking really when you consider it is a blasterboat or at least the caldari version so why is its mobility so far short of the Hyperion... the other combat ship???


RANGE

"I don't have to move, I can hit you from over here!"

The Rokh is probably one of the only ships that isn't wrecked by having a range bonus (unlike the Ferox, which is nearly a non-ship).
Arrusses
Perkone
Caldari State
#811 - 2013-06-04 22:54:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrusses
Malcanis wrote:
The Raven is classed as an "Attack" battleship (smaller, faster, slightly fewer hp). You shouldn't be comparing it to the Hype, but to the Mega.

Scorp is a "Disruption" BS, and it's the only one, so there's no direct comparison. Although I might point out that it has 8 mids, so it should be able to shield tank well enough.


> "(smaller, faster, slightly fewer hp)"

You mean, like a Typhoon?

If it's going to be an attack battleship, and its bigger and slower, it should be doing more damage when it gets there to make it viable. At the moment, it's doing less.

Luckily we have a range bonus to make up for that. On our "attack battleship". On a weapon that already goes 100km.
At best you could use Torps - but that's the same mentality as a blaster Rokh, and I think it's pretty safe to say it never did the job the Mega did. It's a confused set of attributes for its role.
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc.
#812 - 2013-06-05 14:11:57 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Welcome to the Tech 1 Battleship rebalance, fasten your seatbelts!

Some of the changes herein are significant,

yup, you got that right. thanks for taking a yet another step towards finally pushing caldari out of pvp world. good job on the raven :D same bonuses.. less high slots. definately a buff. i see it became a tradition @ cccp now.. "we brought you a new expansion! and surprise surprise - there is NO suprise.. we`ve raped caldari yet again." thanks hun :*

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#813 - 2013-06-05 14:44:03 UTC
Xamiakas wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
Welcome to the Tech 1 Battleship rebalance, fasten your seatbelts!

Some of the changes herein are significant,

yup, you got that right. thanks for taking a yet another step towards finally pushing caldari out of pvp world. good job on the raven :D same bonuses.. less high slots. definately a buff. i see it became a tradition @ cccp now.. "we brought you a new expansion! and surprise surprise - there is NO suprise.. we`ve raped caldari yet again." thanks hun :*



Funny that all minmatar thread.. the most asked thing is to remove a high slot from the tempest and give us a MId slot. So stop whinnning!!! Iw ant your changes!!

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#814 - 2013-06-05 17:31:37 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Xamiakas wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
Welcome to the Tech 1 Battleship rebalance, fasten your seatbelts!

Some of the changes herein are significant,

yup, you got that right. thanks for taking a yet another step towards finally pushing caldari out of pvp world. good job on the raven :D same bonuses.. less high slots. definately a buff. i see it became a tradition @ cccp now.. "we brought you a new expansion! and surprise surprise - there is NO suprise.. we`ve raped caldari yet again." thanks hun :*



Funny that all minmatar thread.. the most asked thing is to remove a high slot from the tempest and give us a MId slot. So stop whinnning!!! Iw ant your changes!!

Back to the whinematar threads with you! Our only viable bs is only goor in mass fleets, while the second closest to being decent in pvp is outdone by a cruiser.

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BiggestT
Konvict Cartel
The Serenity Syndicate
#815 - 2013-06-06 11:21:26 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
The Raven is classed as an "Attack" battleship (smaller, faster, slightly fewer hp). You shouldn't be comparing it to the Hype, but to the Mega.

Scorp is a "Disruption" BS, and it's the only one, so there's no direct comparison. Although I might point out that it has 8 mids, so it should be able to shield tank well enough.


I don't understand how the 'geddon isn't also classed as a disruption BS tbh.

I can't see many scenarios where a scorp will be preferable to a geddon, blackbird's do the job with 80-90% of the effectiveness for 10% of the price.

I know CCP doesn't like the idea of cost vs. effectiveness but if it means the scorp gets shunned for the 'geddon or a combat/attack BS well.... The scorp's viability is looking shaky indeed.
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#816 - 2013-06-06 13:37:02 UTC
BiggestT wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
The Raven is classed as an "Attack" battleship (smaller, faster, slightly fewer hp). You shouldn't be comparing it to the Hype, but to the Mega.

Scorp is a "Disruption" BS, and it's the only one, so there's no direct comparison. Although I might point out that it has 8 mids, so it should be able to shield tank well enough.


I don't understand how the 'geddon isn't also classed as a disruption BS tbh.

I can't see many scenarios where a scorp will be preferable to a geddon, blackbird's do the job with 80-90% of the effectiveness for 10% of the price.


A disruption BS needs more than just a neut range bonus.

With comparable fits - medslots of prop mod and ECM - the Blackbird offers 70% of the Scorpion's raw ECM power, because of the additional medslots, so the Scorp has a 40% advantage. But yeah, given the cost and lack of mobility of BS, it's easy to argue that the Scorp isn't really worth it. But really, that argument also seems to apply to attack BS in general.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#817 - 2013-06-06 20:42:23 UTC
When are these going be unstickied to give Page 1 back to Player Posts? Odyssey is in and the Feedback and Issues threads are active. Why not replace these with a "Link Sticky" to those two threads?

We all know how lazy we are to go clicking...wait for it...past Page 3 of this Forum section. Blink
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc.
#818 - 2013-06-13 15:36:22 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Xamiakas wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
Welcome to the Tech 1 Battleship rebalance, fasten your seatbelts!

Some of the changes herein are significant,

yup, you got that right. thanks for taking a yet another step towards finally pushing caldari out of pvp world. good job on the raven :D same bonuses.. less high slots. definately a buff. i see it became a tradition @ cccp now.. "we brought you a new expansion! and surprise surprise - there is NO suprise.. we`ve raped caldari yet again." thanks hun :*



Funny that all minmatar thread.. the most asked thing is to remove a high slot from the tempest and give us a MId slot. So stop whinnning!!! Iw ant your changes!!

yeah it might work for MINMIES ffs.. is raven a minmatar boat? no so wtf are you on about here? :D

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