Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't know what the cruise/torpedo change is going to be, but if it made a significant difference wouldn't the geddon become way OP? Heavy ranged boosted neuts and capless damage seems like a dangerous combination.

But I don't jack or squat.

Reading the posts, every concern has been mentioned at least multiple times by now. There was a single dev reply in the Gallante thread and no reply here so far.

Lets wait for some dev replies to see where they stand. That should give a reasonable idea to how receptive to the feedback they are.

What happened with "BS are in a good spot so don't expect any major changes"? That was said only 2-3 months ago .. there is fickle and then there is that.

Wonder of wonders, CCP caves to thread hijacks from Gallente "we dont like that other have a bonus that blobs better" lobby .. you'll be changing all resist bonuses to +4% I take it? If you do, might going over the numbers again because a hull like the punisher will be sub-par to say the least.
The Abaddon does indeed brawl like a champ, but only in large'ish gangs/fleets where overlapping fields of fire can counteract the horrible laser tracking and it can be fed cap, haven't read the Gallente thread yet but I am willing to wager that something is done to make Domi work excellently in medium/long range scenarios with no close range sacrifices and that the Mega gets a big bump as well (optimal on top of tracking perhaps) to do the same .. not sure about the buttplug, because have not been exposed to it enough to comment.

Ya think! Why not just remove a mid on Abad/Apoc and give them a healthy base cap increase .. the injector is going to mandatory at any rate so no harm in taking that heinous false 'choice' away.
That is .. unless you are also working on a laser revamp similar to what you did for projectiles, blasters and missiles (partially at any rate). We going to get the 3rd pulse option in M/L size? Tracking bonus on heatsinks? Less EM on crystals as one goes up range? .. reckon not = mandatory fitting requirements..

Predicted it ages ago (by the way CCP tells time at least, really only about a month or so in the real world) that either Apoc or Geddon, with bets on Geddon, would get the same treatment that you gave other proud laser hulls/classes and create some lame-ass drone boats.

I'll ask again: Before you start molesting T2, would you mind sharing/explaining the new paradigms you are obviously using, because the old one of each race having distinct strengths/weakness and variations in what to expect from a given race is no longer valid with every race having hulls to do anything on their own?

PS: Why not missiles .. damage+explo velo on Apoc/Geddon for instance solves all the "issues" you set out to without having to copy the Baddon (Apoc) or make some foul Domi/Bhaal hybrid (Geddon).
PPS: Now off to see if I was right about Gallente becoming awesome at all ranges instead of just awesome close in and adequate at long.
PPPS: Damn am I tuned into the way CCP works or what! .. They are floundering on the buttplug like I am and both Domi and Mega are made omni-potent at all ranges, their Mega solution was unexpected bu outcome the same .. RIP cross training for maximum performace

Fair enough. It seems like the geddon is the new typhoon, less a little bit of turret damage.

Lachesis/arazu or overheated T2 points with loki boosts, inties with loki boosts, faction points with loki boosts. etc.

Still, the geddon changes are terrible, nobody really needs 38km neuts in a BS fleet, ever. 25km was fine for the situations where neuts on BS are even used (neuting caps or brawling close range).

If you wanted to make the geddon a non-lasor BS then just give it drones and armor resists/HP to make it like a big prophecy.

Or if you really wanted ot give it some kidn of EWAR bonus (even though you wrote that caldari will remain the only race with an EWAR BS) then at least give it TDs like all the other t1 amarr ships.

Taking away 2 High turrets from the Geddon? Crap, just stupid jerk off crap...

The dominix is much superior for large sentry fleets, with the range and tracking on sentries, it can use gardes out to about 90km, with 50% tracking bonus on them.

If anything, the domi is too strong, tracking and range bonused sentries will make mincemeat out of all sorts of things.

I rarely ever see a sentry fleet (or ship for that matter) unless it is camping a gate, a station, POS bashing, or a solo Ishtar.
In an actual battleship brawl you move to need get close to targets (because large blasters still require that you do) and mitigate some damage (if you stand still then you take more damage)... both of which force you to leave behind your drones (which a drone boat shouldn't do).

As for sniping with sentries... shouldn't sniper ships be aligned and moving in case someone gets the drop on them? Again, moving is still bad for sentries because they don't move themselves.

So forgive me if I consider sentry fleets a bit "gimmicky."

Was there any thought put into these changes beyond fleet PvP?

I have looked through the thread for all 4 races and the reasoning listed in the dev posts only referances fleet PvP.

I suggest you look at your statistics / graphs and take a little look at where the majority of battleships get used, small hint for you, it is in highsec used for PvE.

Abaddon, you nerfed the tank, this was the main function of an Abaddon, huge active armour tank (yes active shock horror). The abaddon was slow but deliberate, the very living essance of Amarrian ship design.

Apocalypse, Since the release of the Abaddon sure this ship has seen its usefulness wane, who needs to target enemies beyond 50km anyway?

Armaggeddon, RIP, seriously wtf? I am going to rant at not only the murder of an iconic ship, but the apparent joy with which you are spreading the filth that is drone/cap warfare through the Amarrian ship docterine. I will spell this out for you, neut/vamp have precisely ZERO use for any PvE activity what-so-ever, so you have immediately reduced the geddon to a single bonused ship. Drones, ever since you applied the sleeper AI to missions drones are become their favourite food. You have added 5 missile hardpoints, why? this is an Amarrian ship Amarrians dont do missiles.
So you end up with a 5/2 split (unbonused) weapon system ship autocannons and torps on a geddon, just no.

So in summary,
Active armour tanks do get used,
Fleet PvP is a small part of your game for a small percentage of your playerbase,

Try to remember these things.

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