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[Retribution 1.1] Combat Battlecruisers

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Torri Bernard
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2013-01-08 22:28:49 UTC
Edward Pierce wrote:
Tomytronic wrote:
I would like to throw in another vote for:

"Oh my God, split weapon systems are terrible."


Split weapon systems refers to bonuses to two different weapon systems, like the Typhoon.

Having one or two extra highs that could also be a turret is called a utility slot. Use a turret, or a smart bomb, or a nos/neut. Or here's an idea, use a gang link!

You are a CCP employee arent you. Why else would you be white knighting for them so hard?
4LeafClover
ONTAP
Goonswarm Federation
#102 - 2013-01-08 22:28:56 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
First, let me say: Don't touch my Cyclone. Now I'll read your post.

-Liang


I have been playing EVE for almost 5 years and can count the number of cyclones I have seen on one hand. The ship sucks. And now they are making it worse, but trying to morph it into a missile boat? Now I can't even use the Cyclone as a sniping platform....it is completely useless.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#103 - 2013-01-08 22:29:53 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Fozzie
Dear Capsuleers.
Two utility highslots is not the same as split weapons.
All the best.
-Love Fozzie

:Had to deal with something else, will reply to more questions tomorrow:

Game Designer | Team Five-0

Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie
Torri Bernard
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2013-01-08 22:30:00 UTC
4LeafClover wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
First, let me say: Don't touch my Cyclone. Now I'll read your post.

-Liang


I have been playing EVE for almost 5 years and can count the number of cyclones I have seen on one hand. The ship sucks. And now they are making it worse, but trying to morph it into a missile boat? Now I can't even use the Cyclone as a sniping platform....it is completely useless.


You should go rat with it. It'll be awesome!
4LeafClover
ONTAP
Goonswarm Federation
#105 - 2013-01-08 22:30:58 UTC
Edward Pierce wrote:
Tomytronic wrote:
I would like to throw in another vote for:

"Oh my God, split weapon systems are terrible."


Split weapon systems refers to bonuses to two different weapon systems, like the Typhoon.

Having one or two extra highs that could also be a turret is called a utility slot. Use a turret, or a smart bomb, or a nos/neut. Or here's an idea, use a gang link!



Have you ever flown a typhoon? Don't worry if you haven't, nobody else does either...the reason is a split weapon system...you only get a bonus to 4 turret slots? And just try to fit 3 gyros, and 3 ballistic controls in the lows.....useless.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#106 - 2013-01-08 22:31:56 UTC
4LeafClover wrote:
Now I can't even use the Cyclone as a sniping platform


not sure if serious

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
4LeafClover
ONTAP
Goonswarm Federation
#107 - 2013-01-08 22:32:50 UTC
4LeafClover wrote:
Edward Pierce wrote:
Tomytronic wrote:
I would like to throw in another vote for:

"Oh my God, split weapon systems are terrible."


Split weapon systems refers to bonuses to two different weapon systems, like the Typhoon.

Having one or two extra highs that could also be a turret is called a utility slot. Use a turret, or a smart bomb, or a nos/neut. Or here's an idea, use a gang link!



Have you ever flown a typhoon? Don't worry if you haven't, nobody else does either...the reason is a split weapon system...you only get a bonus to 4 turret slots? And just try to fit 3 gyros, and 3 ballistic controls in the lows.....useless.



Don't even get me started on the Naglfar....yeah again SPLIT PLATFORM....imagine having to train capital class weapons for both projectile and missiles just to be effective as a cap pilot. Dumbest thing in EVE.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#108 - 2013-01-08 22:33:12 UTC
4LeafClover wrote:
Have you ever flown a typhoon? Don't worry if you haven't, nobody else does either...the reason is a split weapon system...you only get a bonus to 4 turret slots? And just try to fit 3 gyros, and 3 ballistic controls in the lows.....useless.


Wouldn't be awesome if the devs were going to revamp battleships too? I think it would. Cool

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Mund Richard
#109 - 2013-01-08 22:33:39 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Dear Capsuleers.
Two utility highslots is not the same as split weapons.
All the best.
-Love Fozzie

True.
So... One turret/missile ship with Two utility Highs? Why not add another launcher and have zero?

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#110 - 2013-01-08 22:34:16 UTC
4LeafClover wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
First, let me say: Don't touch my Cyclone. Now I'll read your post.

-Liang


I have been playing EVE for almost 5 years and can count the number of cyclones I have seen on one hand. The ship sucks. And now they are making it worse, but trying to morph it into a missile boat? Now I can't even use the Cyclone as a sniping platform....it is completely useless.


WTF? Where the hell do you live that you don't see Cyclones everywhere?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#111 - 2013-01-08 22:34:19 UTC
4LeafClover wrote:
imagine having to train capital class weapons for both projectile and missiles just to be effective as a cap pilot. Dumbest thing in EVE.


I don't have to imagine, because I alread- Bahhhhhh, why do I bother. Twisted

3/10

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2013-01-08 22:34:39 UTC
4LeafClover wrote:
Edward Pierce wrote:
Tomytronic wrote:
I would like to throw in another vote for:

"Oh my God, split weapon systems are terrible."


Split weapon systems refers to bonuses to two different weapon systems, like the Typhoon.

Having one or two extra highs that could also be a turret is called a utility slot. Use a turret, or a smart bomb, or a nos/neut. Or here's an idea, use a gang link!



Have you ever flown a typhoon? Don't worry if you haven't, nobody else does either...the reason is a split weapon system...you only get a bonus to 4 turret slots? And just try to fit 3 gyros, and 3 ballistic controls in the lows.....useless.

Right now Gallente is the ONLY race that has mulutple ships with split weapon systems.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
4LeafClover
ONTAP
Goonswarm Federation
#113 - 2013-01-08 22:34:42 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
4LeafClover wrote:
Now I can't even use the Cyclone as a sniping platform


not sure if serious



How many missile snipe ships do you see out there......? "crickets"
4LeafClover
ONTAP
Goonswarm Federation
#114 - 2013-01-08 22:36:03 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:

Right now Gallente is the ONLY race that has mulutple ships with split weapon systems.



You're kidding right?
arbalesttom
State War Academy
Caldari State
#115 - 2013-01-08 22:36:40 UTC
WOW

you guys think about the whole bc tiericide for a couple of months, and this is all you can come up with??? (i.e. nerfing the ships that where perfectly fine, and leave the **** ones as they are pretty much)

i am dissapoint
John Valentine
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2013-01-08 22:37:12 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
4LeafClover wrote:
Have you ever flown a typhoon? Don't worry if you haven't, nobody else does either...the reason is a split weapon system...you only get a bonus to 4 turret slots? And just try to fit 3 gyros, and 3 ballistic controls in the lows.....useless.


Wouldn't be awesome if the devs were going to revamp battleships too? I think it would. Cool


For the love of God dont let them touch the Battleships..you know the gonna nerf the **** out of the maelstrom and probally make the Tempest a missile boat.
Edward Pierce
State War Academy
Caldari State
#117 - 2013-01-08 22:37:34 UTC
Torri Bernard:

CCP Fozzie wrote:

Dear Capsuleers.
Two utility highslots is not the same as split weapons.
All the best.
-Love Fozzie


I'm in Goonswarm, CCP Fozzie is my employee.

I have also been asking for a change to active tank bonuses and the Ferox hybrid optimal bonus, only I don't sperg as bad as the rest of the denizens of forms.eveonline.com, this doesn't mean I'm not asking for things.
Jerrek Peacelord
Running with Dogs
Triumvirate.
#118 - 2013-01-08 22:37:42 UTC
Never posted on an EVE development forum, but I'm only replying 'cos I'm annoyed.

As a player who loves solo pvp and small gang pvp, if these changes went through to what is probably my fave class of ship, solo pvp (which is very difficult currently with friggin ECM/Falcon trash everywhere: sort ECM out please devs!) is going to be even more difficult and, basically:

you're nerfing the whole class of ship pretty much.

Losing utility highs IS a big deal, cos being a ship with a rack of just weapons means you are one dimensional. It's pushing pvp in the game even more into needing to be in a fleet, which cuts out the whole ease of logging in, jumping in a ship and going and having some fun without trying to fc another fleet (or herd cats).

The Changes:

Harbs: less of everything except the damage bonus. Well that's just brilliant. Cant WAIT to fly that in our nex....NOT!
Prophecy: is anyone REALLY looking forward to flying a drone boat of this size with 75m3 for drones?
Cane: oh...my...goodness. Seriously? Do you not want anyone to fly this thing?
Cyclone: why split damage types?! And at the risk of crying over previously spilled milk......MISSILES?! Good grief.....
Brutix: bonus! It's not a bonus cos NO-ONE USES IT IF THEY HAVE PLAYED THE GAME FOR LONGER THAN 3 MONTHS!
Myrmidon: wahey! One good thing to say....a bc with (imho) the minimum size drone bandwidth....finally. But what the chuff? Still an armour rep bonus?!!

IF you HAVE to mess about with these ships to this extent, at least sort the bonuses out to reflect how people are fitting the ships. I KNOW people should fir according to the ship's bonuses, but bonuses are not good enough to affect the meta (ie, people still flying 2x LArge Shield Extender Brutix like Kil2 does) so rather than just make the bonuses obsolete, make them useful!

I cant be bothered to moan about the other changes cos they are all fustrating and disappointing. You're just nerfing the class. That sucks. T1 cruisers got a big buff and are awesome, why make bc's crappier. Unless you plan on making bs waaaaay better for the summer so more people fly/lose those and that drives PLEX sales up.

There I said it, and I dont care.

Seriously, please don't make THOSE changes; listen to us and make good ones. T1 cruiser changes were universally cool. T1 frig changes were universally coool. DONT DROP THE BALL WITH BC's CCP!

Seriously, give BS a 9th slot in mids/highs/lows or something if that means they can "stay ahead" of bc's, just don't nerf bc's too much!

*breathes into a paper bag*
4LeafClover
ONTAP
Goonswarm Federation
#119 - 2013-01-08 22:37:48 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:


WTF? Where the hell do you live that you don't see Cyclones everywhere?

-Liang



EVE Online
Mund Richard
#120 - 2013-01-08 22:38:00 UTC
arbalesttom wrote:
WOW

you guys think about the whole bc tiericide for a couple of months, and this is all you can come up with??? (i.e. nerfing the ships that where perfectly fine, and leave the **** ones as they are pretty much)

i am dissapoint

You know... out of a balancing POW, if they wanted all the BCs to be equally good (or bad) and have people use more different ships, assuming it is as you describe, it could work!

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.