Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It seems to me that the proposed new split weapons systems for BC's make it even longer to fly a ship effectively (T2 weapon grind for both different weapons systems) adding on top of that the split of destroyer and battlecruiser skills into racial versions making it even harder to maximize your skills on a wide set of ships.

The current slot layout of every ship means that you can only effectively boost 1 weapon system and the second one becomes very ineffective. With a split weapon system you can only do less damage than with a hull with only one weapon system.

Good news!

The plan was to have the Phoon a missile boat instead!

My point exactly. Armor based drone boats dont work.

Wasn't the Harby already tight on CPU? I don't get making the lowest CPU BC even lower (and yes, I see you dropped a turret, but the CPU drop > 1 medium turret.) You shouldn't be nerfing Harby CPU more than 15.

(And iirc I've never flown a Harby fwiw.)

I liked EVE better when it had iconic ships like the rifter, the hurricane and the drake. As long as best in class ships were spread amongst all races (and not I-win buttons, just not insignificantly better than their peers,) it's not necessarily a bad thing (I'd argue it's a good thing that encouraged players to stick around and cross-train.) Ship balancing should have focused on making all ships useful, not equal, and certainly shouldn't have been used as an excuse to make previously best-in-class ships like the dramiel pretty terrible.

Before the Drone Damage Amplifier, they weren't too bad.
Now you want both DDAs and heatsinks/magstabs/BCU() even on the base versions.

You forgot one thing. Just before rebalance it was just like this:
Belicose = useless, Talwar = non existant, Breacher = useless. Cyclone = overshadowed by Hurricane.
Sorry to mention this, but even your character flew only Hurricane, Rifter/Wolf, Thrasher (according to KB losses). So why you complaining about ships totally unrelated to your playstyle?


Returning back on topic, I would love to see +1 launcher on Cyclone.

Brutix

The boost on brutix may not enough to make it a good solo ship, the problems :
1, odd damage type
2, damage type problem can be solved by drones, but there's dilemma at choosing ecm drones or Infiltrators/Valkyries
(implies more drone bay)
3, No utility high to fit neut to kill mission ships, nor being able to fit cloak to travel into hostile space.
(implies an utility high)

So the usage of armor brutix will still be restrict to ~5 man small gang, can't solo, can't join bigger fights.


Harbinger

Don't get the logic to nerf this ship, isn't it **** enough already that people even use omen rather than harbinger?

Is it intentional that the damage bonuses on the cyclone and drake don't affect rapid light missile launchers despite them nominally being cruiser-sized weapons?

The Cyclone was not overshadowed by the Hurricane. I'd have taken a Cyclone against a Hurricane any day, and that Cane was gonna die.

-Liang

After having reviewed these changes a little bit more.

The prophecy is going to be a much better drone boat than the myrm because of resist bonus and wonderfully massive drone bay. The prophecy is how I have always envisioned a drone boat. My experience with drone boats is that anyone would easily trade that extra 25 bandwidth for more variation in drones.

The drake is relatively unchanged from it's current version, as it rarely utilized the utility high.

Why the extra CPU on the Ferox? It has more than enough in it's current form.

Brutix and myrm having the same bonus is a bit silly because only one of them will be used for the active tanking ship. Give one of them another offensive bonus in my opinion, as two of the same niche bonus is a little uninspiring.

Let the haters hate, I look forward to flying the Cyclone especially since the cyclone is getting a buff to CPU and a new low (probably going to be filled with a co-pro). The damage projection will be larger and it will deal more consistent dps to larger targets when using HAMS. Is it possible to get the bonus to also apply to Rapid Light Assault Missile's? The two utility highs (or split weapon system as some people are saying) should give it some defense against lighter ships. I can see this ship replacing the Hurricane of old.

Hurricane is still the hurricane but without the possibility of two neuts.

Edit: Forgot that wormhole drakes use the high. But now they have the cyclone I guess.