EVE General Discussion

Are you really crying about aggressors having to take some risks? LOL.

Clearly, you do not have the capacity to think rationally and are in no position to call others "idiots".

It is really amazing how so many disgruntled losers feel the need to take their anger out on miners instead of targets that will fight back. Cowards and scrubs trying to take revenge on the world. Glad I don't feel the need to stoop so low. Normal people would prefer a challenge than to shoot fish in a barrel. I'm glad CCP is taking away your riskless, easymode "pvp".

I'm really glad that miner ganking is possible, but to dedicate very much time into annoying random people on the internet, instead of those who actually deserve to get **** on and clearly would rage more, is indicative of a sore loser trying to share his pain. Surely these miner gankers and can flippers would rage at least 10x harder than any miner they kill. Personally I prefer to blow up can flippers and would be suicide gankers because I know they are already in emotional pain and actually deserve it.

when you blow up a miner, they really probably don't think much of it, that they are overdue, and can recover losses quickly with minimal effort. When you blow up some angst-filled loser who dedicates all his time to being a douchebag to random people, you know they are probably jumping up and down, screaming at their monitor and pulling their hair out. You know who you are.

What I learned from this thread:

1. Knowledge is no longer power.

If someone is unaware of game mechanics and you take advantage of them, you're a 'bully'.
If someone is unaware of game mechanics and a pop up box informs them of said mechanic, yet they still IGNORE the warning, and you take advantage of that, you're a bully. Oh and a coward to boot.
If someone is unaware of game mechanics, is taken advantage of, and still does not learn their lesson, your STILL a bully bla bla bla...
If someone is unaware of game mechanics, it should ALWAYS be CCP's fault to change the game mechanics to suit them.

2. No longer will we need to take responsibility for our actions.

If someone is flagged to you, it counts as 'aggression' and they should be punished by EVERYONE.
If someone is flagged to you, and you have a choice of whether to shoot them first, they are CLEARLY the aggressor and left you with NO choice.
If someone makes themselves an easy kill, they shouldn't be blamed for it despite repeated warnings in pop up boxes, in forums, in advice available from chat etc. Instead, CCP should make sure nothing atrocious like NOT tanking your own ships/investment, IGNORING popup boxes etc. ever happens again.

3. Everyone who agrees with me is a sane, mature, and eloquent individual. Everyone who doesn't agree with me does not warrant any manners and I should proceed to insult them in a childish manner. Clearly I am in the right, and there should be no opinions contrary to mine, open to discussion on an online forum.

4. Further to above, everyone who shoots people in a MMO with PVP as a main part of the game is a coward, bully, scumbag blablabla... Clearly, these people are also sociopaths in real life, live in their mom's basements, and have no more toilet paper (and a very muscular right arm.

5. EVE is designed to be a cold, harsh universe. However this should not apply to anyone that is risk averse. They should be left alone by everyone else. In fact, CCP should design a special hat, or make their ships a special rainbow colour with lots of fluff so other players will know that they need their hands held.

Great thread! Very educational!

Can-flippers haunt the noob systems for a reason: they're looking for easy kills. They can get "real" PVP any time they want out in losec or null, but of course they don't want real PVP -- they want cheap kills to pad their killboard stats.

I've always considered flippers and gankers more a nuisance than a threat. Your losses can be big early on before you've skilled up, but if you can afford to fly even a T1 barge you can afford to replace it. You can get a Retriever now for about 20M ISK, and most players skilled enough to fly a Ret can replace it in an hour or so. Most don't even have to replace the loss because they've already got several spares.

Griefers and gankers do it for the lulz, not the ISK. Deny them the lulz and they'll go bother someone else.

You're going to lose ships in EVE. The hardest thing to learn as a noob is not to let ship losses bother you. Losing ships is inevitable -- in fact, EVE's economy wouldn't function without a lot of ships getting blowed up all the time. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose, and take your losses as a cost of doing business.

That being said: don't get a rep for being an easy target. Fight back, always. Never go down without making the attacker pay. Gankers like other predators are looking for easy prey. Make yourself a real pain in the ass to kill. Make it completely unprofitable to take you down. (This is why I harp on tanking your mining barges properly, even in hisec space. If every Hulk and Mack in EVE were properly tanked, Hulkageddon would have faded away years ago due to lack of interest.)

*snip* Most suicide gankers have orcas with all their ships in it and usually a noctis. Maybe if you weren't so awful and afraid of pvp you would be choosing targets that actually care when they get blown up, are equipped with actual weapons, and can't recover their losses with afk work inside a day.

EDIT: Resorting to personal attacks is against forum rules, please refrain from doing so.


Personal attacks removed - ISD Type40.

Hey, you are the one making brainless assertions like "suicide gankers get angry" when they lose..... a disposable ship that was intended to die anyway.

And the rest of it doesn't make sense either. I measure success in terms of ISK destroyed and # of carebears I cause to quit the game.

Behind Door 1:
Roam low-sec, waste hours and maybe blow up a Rupture worth 10M that is guaranteed to be Platinum insured. Collect no tears, because the victim doesn't really care if they die - because in low-sec people expect to die and risk nothing.

Behind Door 2:
Or, blow up 300M ISK uninsurable Hulks, inflict significant pain while earning ISK from salvage and extortion fees.

Gee, Monty, I think I'll go with Door 2.


EDIT: Pardon the intrusion, just had to edit that quote - ISD Type40.

Of course I 'salvage other ppl wrecks, lol'. After I've killed them. Then I salvage my suicide wreck too.

Yes, many suicide gankers use Orcas. I've got 11 or 12 of them staged at different icebelts myself.
And no, the Noctis is never carried around in an Orca providing ganker support - for reasons which should be immediately obvious. Whatever gave you that stupid idea? Please, please don't make me explain why.

Naturally, I was referring to Hulks prior to the Aug 8 patch, which wildly affected prices.
Oh, OK, yeah T2 Exhumers are 'insurable'. Got it. How much of the purchase price is recovered again?

Aside from that, sure it 'makes sense' to blow up an Orca, but the trick is doing it.
If you think a suicide ganker is going to somehow give you aggro rights against an Orca alt, you seriously misunderstand how they are actually used.

I'd like to see the KM where you actually killed an Orca full of suicide ships, since you are apparently the expert.
.....Oh wait - to do that you'd have to actually HAVE ONE first....and come out from hiding behind your troll-alt.

This is a bad idea. What about mining ops where you have miners out of your corp or alliance. You need to empty jetcans just to get the ore, picking up with an Orca or a hauler. You get flagged that way, but no one shoots you because you are a friendly. After these changes anyone would be able to shoot your orca or hauler. This would end out of corp mining ops.

Or maybe it will make CCP realize what a terrible idea this is.

When did bots come into this? You can't can flip bots. If you can, that's a really poorly configured bot.

This change will provide new brilliant ways of getting daft people into becoming valid targets. As always

Having said that, I am not ignoring the valid game plays that this change would nerf. Just saying that all is not lost