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A petition to CCP Greyscale on Sentry Mechanics (Please Read)

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Zaratul
The Skimpies
#481 - 2012-08-14 16:21:03 UTC
AttentionAttentionAttentionAttentionAttention/signedAttentionAttentionAttentionAttentionAttentionAttentionAttention

WTF CCP y not just take low sec out completely
Lugia3
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#482 - 2012-08-14 16:26:55 UTC
/signed

So now we get CONCORDed if we steal from a wreck or tip some carebears jetcan, as while as not being able to travel through low?

Remove Greyscale!Evil

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik

Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
#483 - 2012-08-14 20:09:36 UTC
"Aleks and CCP Greyscale briefly discuss community response to these changes, Greyscale acknowledges that the changes to "suspect" flagging would upset some players, particularly can-flippers."

Let's not forget this gem. You know all those can flippers that aren't looking for "real" pvp and are going to be terribly furious about a "flag" that acts as though you just can flipped all of EvE. Yep, no holes in that one look at all the threads from the flippers about how bad that will be. Let's rename him CCP Clueless and the winter update Arson.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#484 - 2012-08-14 20:20:14 UTC
Personally I'm glad CCP is making moves so that EVE can realize its potential. Piracy in EVE is currently way too easy and devoid of player skill. Perhaps now that people can't just sit on gates for easymode kills for hours on end, real pvpers might not think EVE pvp is such a skilless joke.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#485 - 2012-08-14 20:37:59 UTC
Homo Jesus wrote:
. You know all those can flippers that aren't looking for "real" pvp and are going to be terribly furious about a "flag" that acts as though you just can flipped all of EvE. Yep, no holes in that one look at all the threads from the flippers about how bad that will be. Let's rename him CCP Clueless and the winter update Arson.



mm ganker tears, so delicious.

Oh-no! poor greifers will have to take a risk when flipping a can of a solo miner? Better bawl all over the forums now about how EVE pvp is ruined forever. Lol
Pipa Porto
#486 - 2012-08-14 20:43:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Nerf Burger wrote:
Homo Jesus wrote:
. You know all those can flippers that aren't looking for "real" pvp and are going to be terribly furious about a "flag" that acts as though you just can flipped all of EvE. Yep, no holes in that one look at all the threads from the flippers about how bad that will be. Let's rename him CCP Clueless and the winter update Arson.



mm ganker tears, so delicious.

Oh-no! poor greifers will have to take a risk when flipping a can of a solo miner? Better bawl all over the forums now about how EVE pvp is ruined forever. Lol


HS PVP is available in 4 forms.
Can Flipping.
Wardecs.
Suicide Ganks.
AWOXing.

Wardecs are broken.
This will break Can Flipping.
So all that's left is Suicide Ganks. And since Ganking Freighters will be effectively impossible to make profitable (your looting freighter will be globally flagged, thus dead), Guess what's gonna increase in frequency.

Somehow, I think the Solo miner (why isn't he using a Mack?) would prefer to be can-flipped over being Suicide Ganked.

And I think Corp miners would prefer to be can flipped than Awoxed.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
#487 - 2012-08-14 20:44:54 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Homo Jesus wrote:
. You know all those can flippers that aren't looking for "real" pvp and are going to be terribly furious about a "flag" that acts as though you just can flipped all of EvE. Yep, no holes in that one look at all the threads from the flippers about how bad that will be. Let's rename him CCP Clueless and the winter update Arson.



mm ganker tears, so delicious.

Oh-no! poor greifers will have to take a risk when flipping a can of a solo miner? Better bawl all over the forums now about how EVE pvp is ruined forever. Lol


Actually, that was more like drinking my urine. I've never flipped a can but I'm sure to love the suspect flagging. P
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#488 - 2012-08-14 20:48:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Pipa Porto wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Homo Jesus wrote:
. You know all those can flippers that aren't looking for "real" pvp and are going to be terribly furious about a "flag" that acts as though you just can flipped all of EvE. Yep, no holes in that one look at all the threads from the flippers about how bad that will be. Let's rename him CCP Clueless and the winter update Arson.



mm ganker tears, so delicious.

Oh-no! poor greifers will have to take a risk when flipping a can of a solo miner? Better bawl all over the forums now about how EVE pvp is ruined forever. Lol


HS PVP is available in 4 forms.
Can Flipping.
Wardecs.
Suicide Ganks.
AWOXing.

Wardecs are broken.
This will break Can Flipping.
So all that's left is Suicide Ganks. And since Ganking Freighters will be effectively impossible to make profitable (your looting freighter will be globally flagged, thus dead), Guess what's gonna increase in frequency.

Somehow, I think the Solo miner (why isn't he using a Mack?) would prefer to be can-flipped over being Suicide Ganked.

And I think Corp miners would prefer to be can flipped than Awoxed.


How are wardecs broken? Also, how can anyone take you seriously when you post 48 times a day on average and most of it is nonsense? Break Can flipping? WTF?
Pipa Porto
#489 - 2012-08-14 21:37:07 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
How are wardecs broken? Also, how can anyone take you seriously when you post 48 times a day on average and most of it is nonsense? Break Can flipping? WTF?


Quit Corp > Disband Corp > Create New Corp > Wardec Disappears.

Can Flipping currently exposes you to the owner of the can and the Owner's allies (at least those Allies the owner has bothered to formalize his relationship with). Globally flagging the thief for stealing from you is ridiculous.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#490 - 2012-08-14 22:01:02 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
How are wardecs broken? Also, how can anyone take you seriously when you post 48 times a day on average and most of it is nonsense? Break Can flipping? WTF?


Quit Corp > Disband Corp > Create New Corp > Wardec Disappears.

Can Flipping currently exposes you to the owner of the can and the Owner's allies (at least those Allies the owner has bothered to formalize his relationship with). Globally flagging the thief for stealing from you is ridiculous.


so how is it breaking can flipping if there is just more risk involved? Why is a global flag ridiculous for stealing from someone? That seems like it should have always been the case. the only thing that is ridiculous is your posts per day.
Pipa Porto
#491 - 2012-08-14 22:03:47 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
How are wardecs broken? Also, how can anyone take you seriously when you post 48 times a day on average and most of it is nonsense? Break Can flipping? WTF?


Quit Corp > Disband Corp > Create New Corp > Wardec Disappears.

Can Flipping currently exposes you to the owner of the can and the Owner's allies (at least those Allies the owner has bothered to formalize his relationship with). Globally flagging the thief for stealing from you is ridiculous.


so how is it breaking can flipping if there is just more risk involved? Why is a global flag ridiculous for stealing from someone? That seems like it should have always been the case. the only thing that is ridiculous is your posts per day.


Because further discouraging PVP is not a good thing in a PVP centric game.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#492 - 2012-08-14 22:12:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Pipa Porto wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
How are wardecs broken? Also, how can anyone take you seriously when you post 48 times a day on average and most of it is nonsense? Break Can flipping? WTF?


Quit Corp > Disband Corp > Create New Corp > Wardec Disappears.

Can Flipping currently exposes you to the owner of the can and the Owner's allies (at least those Allies the owner has bothered to formalize his relationship with). Globally flagging the thief for stealing from you is ridiculous.


so how is it breaking can flipping if there is just more risk involved? Why is a global flag ridiculous for stealing from someone? That seems like it should have always been the case. the only thing that is ridiculous is your posts per day.


Because further discouraging PVP is not a good thing in a PVP centric game.


they aren't discouraging pvp, they are making can flipping involve some actual risk, something that has been missing for years. And what is the point if "high sec" if griefers can have their way with you with zero risk? To say adding more risk to can flipping is going to "Break can flipping" is completely moronic.
Pipa Porto
#493 - 2012-08-14 22:20:11 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
they aren't discouraging pvp, they are making can flipping involve some actual risk, something that has been missing for years. And what is the point if "high sec" if griefers can have their way with you with zero risk? To say adding more risk to can flipping is going to "Break can flipping" is completely moronic.


There's only no risk if the victim isn't willing to impose any harm on their flipper.

If you are not willing to impose harm on people who do you harm, whose fault is that?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#494 - 2012-08-14 22:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Pipa Porto wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
they aren't discouraging pvp, they are making can flipping involve some actual risk, something that has been missing for years. And what is the point if "high sec" if griefers can have their way with you with zero risk? To say adding more risk to can flipping is going to "Break can flipping" is completely moronic.


There's only no risk if the victim isn't willing to impose any harm on their flipper.

If you are not willing to impose harm on people who do you harm, whose fault is that?


How stupid are you, really, to blame the victim of not incurring risk on a can flipper? The can flipper is the one who gets to choose whose can he flips. Some people do not have the capacity to retaliate against a can fliipper, especially new players who just want to do a little mining to start off. Did you ever think of that? high sec is high sec for a reason. So how would adding more risk "break" can flipping again? Roll
Pipa Porto
#495 - 2012-08-14 23:24:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Nerf Burger wrote:
How stupid are you, really, to blame the victim of not incurring risk on a can flipper? The can flipper is the one who gets to choose whose can he flips. Some people do not have the capacity to retaliate against a can fliipper, especially new players who just want to do a little mining to start off. Did you ever think of that? high sec is high sec for a reason. So how would adding more risk "break" can flipping again? Roll


High Sec is simply an area that provides a different set of consequences for PVP. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that anywhere in EVE is supposed to be "safe."

There is no significant risk in EVE other than what other players provide. If you're new, make friends and collect them in a corp; have someone designated to provide consequences to any can flippers. Can flipping is the only risk to jettisoning your stuff into space unsecured.

Can flipping is stealing. You get to retaliate against people who steal from you. Why would Bob, the uninvolved 3rd party, get to retaliate against the person who stole from you?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
#496 - 2012-08-15 00:06:42 UTC
To flip or not to flip this is the question...well not really. I guess it would be if I flip do the godlike sentries attack me?


And if a flip flags you to everyone in high sec will the foolish:

A: not attack

B: rush forward in fail fits or

C: form a proper quick response fleet
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#497 - 2012-08-15 00:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Pipa Porto wrote:
Why would Bob, the uninvolved 3rd party, get to retaliate against the person who stole from you?


umm, because you commited a crime? Same as any crime, its natural that you would get punished by people other than just the victim. Why am I even bothering to argue with stupid no-lifers. Still waiting to hear how additional risk "breaks" can flipping.
Pipa Porto
#498 - 2012-08-15 00:23:34 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Why would Bob, the uninvolved 3rd party, get to retaliate against the person who stole from you?


umm, because you commited a crime? same as any crime. Why am I even bothering to argue with stupid no-lifers. Still waiting to hear how additional risk "breaks" can flipping.


You committed a tort against an individual. If it were a crime, you'd lose Sec Status and be CONCORDed.

A Tort in EVE means that the wronged individual has the option to cause harm to to the offender as recompense for the offense.

A specific example, 1v1s are done.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#499 - 2012-08-15 02:07:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Pipa Porto wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Why would Bob, the uninvolved 3rd party, get to retaliate against the person who stole from you?


umm, because you commited a crime? same as any crime. Why am I even bothering to argue with stupid no-lifers. Still waiting to hear how additional risk "breaks" can flipping.


You committed a tort against an individual. If it were a crime, you'd lose Sec Status and be CONCORDed.

A Tort in EVE means that the wronged individual has the option to cause harm to to the offender as recompense for the offense.

A specific example, 1v1s are done.


Sorry, having your own personal definitions does not mean you are right. Stealing is a crime and apparently CCP agrees with me. In what backwards universe of yours is stealing not considered a crime and can only be punished by the person who they stole from? LolLOL. About time they got it right.

So how does this "break" can flipping again? Roll
Pipa Porto
#500 - 2012-08-15 02:12:51 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Why would Bob, the uninvolved 3rd party, get to retaliate against the person who stole from you?


umm, because you commited a crime? same as any crime. Why am I even bothering to argue with stupid no-lifers. Still waiting to hear how additional risk "breaks" can flipping.


You committed a tort against an individual. If it were a crime, you'd lose Sec Status and be CONCORDed.

A Tort in EVE means that the wronged individual has the option to cause harm to to the offender as recompense for the offense.

A specific example, 1v1s are done.


Sorry, having your own personal definitions does not mean you are right. Stealing is a crime and apparently CCP agrees with me. In what backwards universe of yours is stealing not considered a crime and can only be punished by the person who they stole from? LolLOL.

So how does this "break" can flipping again? Roll


In the EVE universe, crimes result in Sec Status hits. Stealing doesn't result in a Sec Status hit. Ergo, Stealing is not a crime in EVE.

One specific, 1v1s, like I said above. Other examples have been outlined in the Crimewatch thread.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto