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Hulkageddon made me quit

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#341 - 2012-05-07 06:22:40 UTC
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.


I know right - I saw a hulk totally destroy an asteroid much larger than itself.
Then it warped to another belt and did it again. I was so shocked, I too almost quit eve.

My rookie ship also got killed by a bigger ship in the tutorial mission. OUTRAGEOUS.
This needs to be fixed.

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RealaiX
Dont be a drone
#342 - 2012-05-07 10:32:35 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:


"I want to relax in a game world, so I will join the one game that has the reputation for being the most brutal PVP experience possible and then whine about it" is not a better position to take than my previous statement.


"most brutal PVP" LMAO !

I'm reading a lot of forum posts but why the hell is the majority of the "pvp-loving" part of the eve-community thinks its all about pvp.. u guys havent recognized that this MMO is a *** Sandbox and there wouldnt be pvp without industrials !

I also lost some Hulks or even a freighter to some gankers and you pvp'ers are right .. if i lost a ship it is my own fault and i did something wrong. I also think Hulkageddon is a good event to get rid of "some" botting asses and it really boosts some prices which makes me just richer than before ! Lol

BUT plz stop saying that EVE is just about PVP! thats so stupid.. Roll
Persephone 66
Marcus Munitions
#343 - 2012-05-07 10:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Persephone 66
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.


Can someone get this guy a mop and a cry towel?

Hulks are up to 300mil now? Been years since I bought one. Still mining with the same one, btw.

Jeremy, in the last week I have made more ISK than you spent on your Hulk. I'll tell you how I did it. I did a lot of mining prior to Hulkageddon. Then I refined my ore and made a bunch of stuff from it and put it on the market. Now I'm just kicking back and letting the ISK roll in. Know where my Hulk is that I spent less than 200mil on including the fit? Safely locked in a station. I know better.

You will find that I did lose my first hulk and a few lesser mining vessels to ganks, I learned the hard way. You will also find that my only PVP kill to date was on a can flipper while mining in my old Exequror. I still have that ship somewhere.

No excuses. Eve is a harsh, unforgiving place and Hulkaggedon is an announced event.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#344 - 2012-05-07 11:12:02 UTC
RealaiX wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:


"I want to relax in a game world, so I will join the one game that has the reputation for being the most brutal PVP experience possible and then whine about it" is not a better position to take than my previous statement.


"most brutal PVP" LMAO !

I'm reading a lot of forum posts but why the hell is the majority of the "pvp-loving" part of the eve-community thinks its all about pvp.. u guys havent recognized that this MMO is a *** Sandbox and there wouldnt be pvp without industrials !

I also lost some Hulks or even a freighter to some gankers and you pvp'ers are right .. if i lost a ship it is my own fault and i did something wrong. I also think Hulkageddon is a good event to get rid of "some" botting asses and it really boosts some prices which makes me just richer than before ! Lol

BUT plz stop saying that EVE is just about PVP! thats so stupid.. Roll

Uh, buddy, it kind of is. While the broken window parable holds true in real life, in real life there's also the potential for limitless innovation. In EVE, you're limited to building from a few thousand specific blueprints, utilizing a few hundred material types, all of which CCP created. Who would buy the stuff you made, if that stuff hardly got destroyed? Do you think new Hulks would get sold, if everybody already had one and used it with impunity?

Also, there would be quite a bit of pvp without "industrials." And by "industrials," I of course mean carebears. You see, you're under the assumption that the bears are the only ones who build anything in this game, which couldn't be further from the truth. I have a fully-skilled industrial alt, which I never use because it's simply a more efficient use of my time to grind out some ISK in a wormhole when I need it. So do all of my "scumbag" friends.

We don't need you; you need us.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Feckfor Rufard
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#345 - 2012-05-07 11:58:45 UTC
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Red Rydah wrote:
I find Hulkageddon a great experience for me as a player. Just because I can't fly my retriever does not mean I can't play the game. Understanding how Hulkageddon affects the market leads to profit if you know how to read the graphs. I also mine but not with my retriever.

Most importantly, you learn. A chance encounter with a player (I won't mention his name but he knows who he is) helped me understand how to build a better tank that will benefit me when I start getting serious about mission running. I also got a better understanding on what skills help with what kind of damage resistance on both shield and armor.

Ragequitting not only makes you look like a baby, it also means you lost the opportunity to learn from and experience this great game

RR


If it did not take so long to get back on the feet, then maybe "ragequitting" would not be the option. As I usually have not more than 3-4 hours a week, we are talking about quite some time getting back into the ship.

That being said, after that time, I can have 3 guys in ships, that are earned in like 30 minutes blowing me up again.
As I said, maybe I am a wuss, maybe I look like a baby. Maybe I just want to take my hard earned cash somewhere else for recreation. Geez. Same as I said before. Can't you imagine, that pressuring your idea of fun and entertainment onto someone else does not mean fun and entertainment for them?


ok flying a 300 mill hulk during a hulkageddon is suicide, flying 15 covetors at the expense of a little yeild for a month is still suicide for one month, but then again 15 for the price of 1 who cares if u get a few blow to crap still cheap as crap
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#346 - 2012-05-07 12:06:44 UTC
Feckfor Rufard wrote:
ok flying a 300 mill hulk during a hulkageddon is suicide, flying 15 covetors at the expense of a little yeild for a month is still suicide for one month, but then again 15 for the price of 1 who cares if u get a few blow to crap still cheap as crap

You don't get it man, he doesn't want just some ore, he wants all the ore. If he can't min-max his carebear mining profits to their highest potential, at all times, without any risk, the game is fundamentally flawed to him.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#347 - 2012-05-07 12:18:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Stormshadow
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.


Are you or are you not aware that you have just boosted the eve economy by increasing moon goo and mineral prices. Your fellow industrialists thank you for your sacrifice and commitment towards the well being of the others.

Now if you choose to reconsider your early retirement, I'm sure some friendly soul will buy you a brand new mining frigate to start over.

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July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#348 - 2012-05-07 14:25:01 UTC
Just saw like 10 Macks mining ICE in Osmon, also some Hulks in Airaken, which is a 0.5 system. Lontrek/ Citadel, just some jumps from Jita...

Hulkawhat?

Most ppl don't even care. Blow em up I say.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#349 - 2012-05-07 14:36:32 UTC
July Oumis wrote:

Most ppl don't even care. .


I care Cry
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#350 - 2012-05-07 15:07:05 UTC
RealaiX wrote:
its all about pvp.. u guys havent recognized that this MMO is a *** Sandbox and there wouldnt be pvp without industrials !
...if i lost a ship it is my own fault and i did something wrong.

I also think Hulkageddon is a good event to get rid of "some" botting asses and it really boosts some prices which makes me just richer than before ! Lol

BUT plz stop saying that EVE is just about PVP! thats so stupid.. Roll


I've been trying to drive this point home for years.

think it's just a thread derailer at this point, and should just be ignored IMHO.

Doesn't even deserve snark honestly.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#351 - 2012-05-07 15:09:04 UTC
July Oumis wrote:
Just saw like 10 Macks mining ICE in Osmon, also some Hulks in Airaken, which is a 0.5 system. Lontrek/ Citadel, just some jumps from Jita...

Hulkawhat?

Most ppl don't even care. Blow em up I say.



How do you know they are not actually ready to flee at a moments notice? Did you check exactly what they have in the Drone Bays too ?

Was CONCORD on site?

Tell us more since you wanna be 007 or something.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#352 - 2012-05-07 15:24:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
When I started 5 years ago or so, it used to be a thing that someone would come in in the myrmidon (before its big nerf) and it would really clean out all the hulks before help arrive. You would say to yourself , well he was in the op myrmidon back then and it does require a significant training time to get it all going.

Now with the buff of destoroyers, it has become an issue for hulk. I believe this is something CCP did not think about when they buffed the destroyer and now they dont know what to do.

CCP has identified issues with ships like frigates, cruiser, destroyers, dreads, cariers, super carriers, titans and have made good changes to them for the most part. I do feel however that they have neglected the miners again.

I always felt that the loss of 3m vs 200m+ is just too one sided. Not even faction fitted works for the hulks.

The thing that worries me more is that the amount of training time required to get a hulk vs a suicide (no tank needed) destoyer or even inferior ship. I think all you need is 2 weeks of training vs 2 months of training without counting the cost difference for a hulk.

While it is true that no one should feel safe in high sec by any means, it is also true that 2 destroyers have it too easy.
I do think CCP had just gone a tad too far and should really reavaluate a buff to hulk specially since they have buffed every ship class out there besides barges.

EDIT: I am not a miner and the last time i mined was when i got my ship blown up as the above story a long long time ago. But i am also not blind and i see whats wrong with the game atm.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#353 - 2012-05-07 15:29:18 UTC
Blame your fellow players for the cost of the Hulk. If it wasn't for their greed, the ship could easily be sold for under a hundred.

Also, it takes much more training, and much more money, to get into a marauder or a black ops battleship, yet both can easily die to a T1 cruiser pilot, if he knows what he's doing, and the T2 BS pilots don't. Should we nerf t1 cruisers, then? Or maybe Buff the T2 battleships?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#354 - 2012-05-07 15:42:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Blame your fellow players for the cost of the Hulk. If it wasn't for their greed, the ship could easily be sold for under a hundred.


this is not a true or realistic comment. What makes the price of the hulk what it is, is the minerals you mine + the build cost like the blue print. To make a hulk under 100m like you said above is like buying something for 10 and then selling it for 8. Its a loss. It has nothing to do with greed. Its simple mathematics.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#355 - 2012-05-07 15:47:20 UTC
Andrea Roche wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Blame your fellow players for the cost of the Hulk. If it wasn't for their greed, the ship could easily be sold for under a hundred.


this is not a true or realistic comment. What makes the price of the hulk what it is, is the minerals you mine + the build cost like the blue print. To make a hulk under 100m like you said above is like buying something for 10 and then selling it for 8. Its a loss. It has nothing to do with greed. Its simple mathematics.

A hulk is a Covetor mashed together with some T2 components. Are you telling me that those components ultimately come from the asteroids that Hulks mine?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
LarpingBard
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#356 - 2012-05-07 15:52:05 UTC
The irony is, High Sec Mining is MORE dangerous and less rewarding than NULL sec mining. Once you get a hulk built or moved out to a place where sov is held, blues are respected, and intel and local watched, it takes someone rather dumb to get their hulk ganked. No offense...
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#357 - 2012-05-07 15:54:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Blame your fellow players for the cost of the Hulk. If it wasn't for their greed, the ship could easily be sold for under a hundred.


this is not a true or realistic comment. What makes the price of the hulk what it is, is the minerals you mine + the build cost like the blue print. To make a hulk under 100m like you said above is like buying something for 10 and then selling it for 8. Its a loss. It has nothing to do with greed. Its simple mathematics.

A hulk is a Covetor mashed together with some T2 components. Are you telling me that those components ultimately come from the asteroids that Hulks mine?


I am not sure i follow.
ultimatelly everything is made up of minerals. The cost of those minerals + the cost of the research for the bpc for each module and the cost fo the T2 modules and the cost for the reasearch for the hulk bpc and the "waist" in the bpc and covetor all add up.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#358 - 2012-05-07 16:01:50 UTC
Andrea Roche wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Blame your fellow players for the cost of the Hulk. If it wasn't for their greed, the ship could easily be sold for under a hundred.


this is not a true or realistic comment. What makes the price of the hulk what it is, is the minerals you mine + the build cost like the blue print. To make a hulk under 100m like you said above is like buying something for 10 and then selling it for 8. Its a loss. It has nothing to do with greed. Its simple mathematics.

A hulk is a Covetor mashed together with some T2 components. Are you telling me that those components ultimately come from the asteroids that Hulks mine?


I am not sure i follow.
ultimatelly everything is made up of minerals. The cost of those minerals + the cost of the research for the bpc for each module and the reaserach for the hulk bpc and the "waist" in the bpc and covetor all add up.

The combined total cost of the basic minerals, research, and invention components of Hulk production are significantly lower than 100 million ISK. The majority of the price tag comes from the moon goo that is used to build the T2 components. If you don't like Hulk prices, stop blaming destroyers, and instead form a coalition and go take those moons. Then your Hulks will be cheap.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#359 - 2012-05-07 16:06:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Blame your fellow players for the cost of the Hulk. If it wasn't for their greed, the ship could easily be sold for under a hundred.


this is not a true or realistic comment. What makes the price of the hulk what it is, is the minerals you mine + the build cost like the blue print. To make a hulk under 100m like you said above is like buying something for 10 and then selling it for 8. Its a loss. It has nothing to do with greed. Its simple mathematics.

A hulk is a Covetor mashed together with some T2 components. Are you telling me that those components ultimately come from the asteroids that Hulks mine?


I am not sure i follow.
ultimatelly everything is made up of minerals. The cost of those minerals + the cost of the research for the bpc for each module and the reaserach for the hulk bpc and the "waist" in the bpc and covetor all add up.

The combined total cost of the basic minerals, research, and invention components of Hulk production are significantly lower than 100 million ISK. The majority of the price tag comes from the moon goo that is used to build the T2 components. If you don't like Hulk prices, stop blaming destroyers, and instead form a coalition and go take those moons. Then your Hulks will be cheap.


jeez you are a little angry. I didnt realise that till now. So now you are saying that the reasons for the price been so high is not your corp mates but the people that has moon gooo. Well at least now you yourself said it who is really responsable for the price been high and not blaming someone else as in the above statement. And if you read again, its not about just price. There is also the question that everything got a recent buff besides barges and training time (which is a big thing here)
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#360 - 2012-05-07 16:07:50 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
instead form a coalition and go take those moons. Then your Hulks will be cheap.


Given CCP has on multiple occasions said they'll be nerfing those moons it seems like an awful lot of trouble to form a coalition to take something that might disappear ten minutes afterwards.

It make much more sense to not mine in hulks and see how it shakes out in a few months.