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Hulkageddon made me quit

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FearFall
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#301 - 2012-05-06 11:49:34 UTC
ill be the first to admit it im a god dam carebear and proud off it i play eve to collect ships. (suz there shinny). i have lost my fair share of ships and i was pissed every dam time. but if your going to come on to the forum and whine and say u are going to leave because a computer generated image got blown up buy another computer generated image firing computer generated images. if u missed the point there its a freaking (highly addictive) game. just shut the f up and leave already we dont need to hear your whining.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#302 - 2012-05-06 11:50:23 UTC
Okay, so, how much damage damage should they be able to absorb, then?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Angelus Ryan
One Ronin
#303 - 2012-05-06 11:54:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelus Ryan
You know. I used to hate the idea of Hulkageddon and decry the participants as useless idiots, bullies and griefers. I still do not participate in it, but that is my choice and my play style (This is not of a sense of "honor" or "superiority": I have none. I roam lowsec and kill stuff I can kill, and run away from things I cannot and I just prefer this to suicide ganking. I've been known to canflip, though. Again, I claim no superior moral ground: In fact, I claim I have no morals in EVE - I am here on a vacation from the real world, not to argue philosophy and "morals", which are inevitably subjective anyway).

Then I started thinking about why it makes sense: EVE is a Sandbox game. It is essentially run by the players. Anything that takes away from this premise is a bad-thing(tm), and everything which empowers players is a good-thing(tm). Granted, highsec is needed. It is needed because some players enjoy purely the economic aspects (I have a friend whose tales of market warfare often sound as interesting as my other friends' combat exploits, sometimes, when the impact is big enough, they are even more so) and because the game population is too low to maintain a "center of civilization", which highsec is.

However, this does not mean that Highsec is safe. I frequently (pretty much always) feel safer roaming lowsec then I am moving things in highsec. The amount of traffic, the bumping on undocks and the ganker gangs are much more frequent than lowsec gatecamps (except some notorious systems, which are left for the reader as a test of his EVE knowledge). It is completely fine: This pressure is what keeps people shifting between the various locations in EVE, it is what keeps them changing their lifestyles and interests. This is exactly what keeps the game alive and vibrant.

For me, the following video sums up the game perfectly, and I love it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738

If you're smart, you will avoid 99.99% of all gank attempts in EVE. If you are silly (like mining, say, next door from Rens), then you will get ganked sooner or later, but nearly inevitably. It isn't surviving a gank that you should be worried about, it is avoiding becoming a target in the first place. Mine in low population systems, mine away from market hubs (you have friends/corp/alts with a freighter to move your stuff, right? If not, you're playing EVE wrong), do not be lazy, do not fall into patterns, do not mine in belts which can be scanned from the entry gates (because then you're the first one on dscan and the first one to get ganked), do tank your Hulk (or be even more paranoid, both are quite valid), keep an eye on local, keep an eye on the d-scan, learn the local population (Who is a miner? Who is a lowsec pirate coming in for a rest in highsec? Who is a bot? If you choose a quiet system you will have this nailed down in a few days at most), be suspicious of new arrivals and NEVER, EVER, mine AFK.

EVE is a woman of dubious virtue (damn profanity filter), but she's awesome in bed, so you put up with her kicking you in the nuts if you get too cozy around her. That's exactly what makes EVE a great game and why there is nothing nearly like it out there.

It might not be your cup of tea, but the label on that cup of tea reads "Warning: Contents Downright Evil" as labelled for years by the gaming media (they do love to exaggerate, too), so you knew exactly what you were getting into, or failed to realize it very quick.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#304 - 2012-05-06 12:01:16 UTC
One thing the bears are forgetting is that the hulk already has a fairly decent tank. A decently tanked hulk has similar EHP to a standard combat-fit cruiser - okay, the cruiser is about half the size, but the whole reason the cruiser exists is to fight, and so has improved defenses as a result. The hulk is not designed to fight, so doesn't have a battleship-grade tank - why are you complaining about this? The current level of tanking that the hulk has fits in perfectly with the tank levels of combat ships - you know, the ships designed to take damage. Nothing needs changing, stop complaining. If you don't think your mining ship has enough tank to survive the dangers of space, change your ship choice - say, to a battleship. You know, a ship designed for combat, and so has a huge tank.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#305 - 2012-05-06 12:03:05 UTC
Angelus Ryan wrote:

If you're smart, you will avoid 99.99% of all gank attempts in EVE. If you are silly (like mining, say, next door from Rens), then you will get ganked sooner or later, but nearly inevitably. It isn't surviving a gank that you should be worried about, it is avoiding becoming a target in the first place. Mine in low population systems, mine away from market hubs (you have friends/corp/alts with a freighter to move your stuff, right? If not, you're playing EVE wrong), do not be lazy, do not fall into patterns, do not mine in belts which can be scanned from the entry gates (because then you're the first one on dscan and the first one to get ganked), do tank your Hulk (or be even more paranoid, both are quite valid), keep an eye on local, keep an eye on the d-scan, learn the local population (Who is a miner? Who is a lowsec pirate coming in for a rest in highsec? Who is a bot? If you choose a quiet system you will have this nailed down in a few days at most), be suspicious of new arrivals and NEVER, EVER, mine AFK.

This. This a thousand times over. It is the players who need to adapt, not the ships.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#306 - 2012-05-06 12:05:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Darek Castigatus
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Choans wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Abannan wrote:
you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon

lol


A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine.


and who is to decide that.

if you enjoy to do something that other ppl enjoy to destroy
then find a way to do what you enjoy in a safe way or those other ppl will come and destroy you.
if you are dumb and dont addpat to the situation of the game you will be sad when others come and destroy you.
if you are smart and adapt to the situation you will have a "i win" feeling when the gank fails and you live.




Theres not much to adapt too, you earlier suggested drones or logi support, but they can't help a mining barge survive alpha strikes except perhaps by a solo inept player. I don't mine so I don't personally need to do anything but alot of my friends and my husband does. So far I know of 17 accounts unsubbed, friends I no longer have ingame to do stuff with. No clue if and when they will return. CCP can rot in hell for allowing this to go on for a month as well as those who participate. I have played this game since June, 2003, that doesn't make me 'uber' or anything, just means I have seen the game evolve and devolve and paid alot of money, I have earned the right to state my opinion.


Theres the minor problem that your opinion reads like whiney, self entitled bollocks. If you have seen the game 'evolve and devolve' why do you find it so hard to do the same thing for yourself or to help others to do it. Its not like there havent been many many video guides and page after page of analysis on the best way to avoid ganks, note not 'survive' but 'avoid'.
No need for hulks to be able to tank anything if by simply using their brains they can easily avoid situations where they can be fired on.

EDIT
In fact the second half of Angelus Ryans essay about 3 posts above this one contains exactly the sort of advice I'm talking about.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

uwai223
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#307 - 2012-05-06 12:06:11 UTC
Why is this thread still going?

We are required by our constitution to let the voters think they have a choice. That's democracy!

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#308 - 2012-05-06 12:26:07 UTC
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull.

It's called internet space terrorism. Fly with some support.

http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/05/hulkageddon-v-internet-space-terrorism.html

Unlike that situation, hulks cant fire a pre-emptive strike. If ganking were rare the hulk would be just fine, but ganking is common so the hulk must evolve.

Then mine somewhere where you can shoot first.

I adore the flawed irony in the carebears claiming the space they're in to stay safe is making them less safe Roll

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#309 - 2012-05-06 12:28:09 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you.

Well then, why don't you take up pvp yourself and show us who's boss?


I don't mine so if you want to try to gank one of my characters, bring lots of friends. I have done alot of pvp in the past with my oldest character dating to June, 2003, but now I prefer exploration, wormholes, incursions and lvl 4 and 5s. But I am not afraid of bloated bigmouths like you. I just think people who target mining vessels are bottom feeders who lack courage.


Alt posting about his super elite main that he is too scared to name.

Completely unique post on Eve-O.


I have 5 accounts, Bunnie is not an alt to hide behind and I assure you has more skillpoints than you


I usually find the most egregious of carebears are the ones who go for "SP elitism" and I am not seeing an exception here.

But keep on giving me reasons about how you would do something, but also won't.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#310 - 2012-05-06 12:31:05 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Abannan wrote:
you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon

lol


A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine.


If you wish to place a limit on a player made event, then you need to form your own player made event to put a stop to it Roll

Also, if one assumes for the moment that the majority of miners DID stop mining, then what would happen?

Mining would become the dominant ISK making activity in the game (like is used to be) and more people would take it up.

All we would lose are the people who join a game where EXACTLY this is possible, but leave the game because it happened to them.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#311 - 2012-05-06 12:32:20 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Choans wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Abannan wrote:
you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon

lol


A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine.


and who is to decide that.

if you enjoy to do something that other ppl enjoy to destroy
then find a way to do what you enjoy in a safe way or those other ppl will come and destroy you.
if you are dumb and dont addpat to the situation of the game you will be sad when others come and destroy you.
if you are smart and adapt to the situation you will have a "i win" feeling when the gank fails and you live.




Theres not much to adapt too, you earlier suggested drones or logi support, but they can't help a mining barge survive alpha strikes except perhaps by a solo inept player..


Not being on grid when they land is proven to result in a 100% reduction in damage application.

Now, if only CCP would add a tool into the game to let players see what ships are in space near to them Roll

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#312 - 2012-05-06 12:33:41 UTC
Throwing a whine-fest Khanh'rhh?
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#313 - 2012-05-06 12:34:46 UTC
Remove local and people will start using it.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#314 - 2012-05-06 12:37:24 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Throwing a whine-fest Khanh'rhh?

Nope, just pointing out that you've been playing the game "far longer than I have" and yet you can't work out how to safely make ISK mining.

Whereas I am not even a miner, and I can teach someone how to do it in about 5minutes.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Volksterb
#315 - 2012-05-06 12:43:12 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Throwing a whine-fest Khanh'rhh?

Nope, just pointing out that you've been playing the game "far longer than I have" and yet you can't work out how to safely make ISK mining.

Whereas I am not even a miner, and I can teach someone how to do it in about 5minutes.


Seems to me she stated on several occassion she isn't a miner. Try reading before insulting perhaps.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#316 - 2012-05-06 12:45:28 UTC
Volksterb wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Throwing a whine-fest Khanh'rhh?

Nope, just pointing out that you've been playing the game "far longer than I have" and yet you can't work out how to safely make ISK mining.

Whereas I am not even a miner, and I can teach someone how to do it in about 5minutes.


Seems to me she stated on several occassion she isn't a miner. Try reading before insulting perhaps.


Well, she's still stating her mining friends / husband / randoms can't, so same result, really.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Volksterb
#317 - 2012-05-06 12:50:48 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Volksterb wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Throwing a whine-fest Khanh'rhh?

Nope, just pointing out that you've been playing the game "far longer than I have" and yet you can't work out how to safely make ISK mining.

Whereas I am not even a miner, and I can teach someone how to do it in about 5minutes.


Seems to me she stated on several occassion she isn't a miner. Try reading before insulting perhaps.


Well, she's still stating her mining friends / husband / randoms can't, so same result, really.


Meh, don't know about that. Seems she is arguing about a game mechanic she disagrees with. I am a miner, its all I do. Am too old a man to fight young people in pvp and I feel eve developers have made sitting ducks out of us. There didn't used to be suicide gankings going on all the time but now there is so I think ships or high sec mechanics should change to make it more fair. I tank my Hulk but I know it can be ganked without much effort, people are blowing smoke when they say it has such high ehp.
Aiwha
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#318 - 2012-05-06 12:52:09 UTC
Y'all are posting in a troll thread.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#319 - 2012-05-06 14:03:19 UTC
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I know. This is the hard part to wrap one's mind around.




I know, this is a hard one to wrap your mind around because EVE is suffering from a strange form of Darwin-invoking "Stockholme Syndrome" where somehow "might makes right"... but the reality is: The gankers are at fault.




They give fair warning.

I've been mining away both Ore and Ice everyday of H'geddon so far.

If one has not the ability to use an alt to summon CONCORD to your belt for protection (and an alarm WHEN THEY LEAVE THE BELT)...then I just don't know what to say.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Scien Inkunen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#320 - 2012-05-06 14:29:43 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
EVE Online requires the following things :

3: IQ Greater than 50 (Ok maybe 100)

To be fair, 100 is the normalized average, and judging by EVE players' math and language skills, I'd say only a fifth of all players meet this requirement.


When you get ganked, high IQ doesnt do much to save you.

Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life !