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Hulkageddon made me quit

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Sarray en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#561 - 2012-07-12 13:08:31 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:




I'm sure that was the same face he had when he realized he was in his pod. Needless to say, I lol'd when I saw the fit we just killed.

For the cynics, API verified, biotches: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13920646


Chill, we believe u.. We are all adults, are we not?

I just cant believe what gives u high - dont like ganks in general.. Appreciate 1 on 1 similar ships and fits, but ganking.. Meh..

But hey, we are not all the same..

About the hulkageddon - i dont really care about ignorant miners loosing their expensive hulks - covetor is dead cheap in comparison.

And good thing to exterminate AFK mining. Lets see what will happen with a mining barges buff later.. should be a bit more interesting..
Togg Bott
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#562 - 2012-07-12 22:48:11 UTC
Hey....ummmm yeah......WOW! the whine is strong in this thread. lol, where to start? hell lets just go to the end.

Bye Bye, have fun elsewhere

your stuff? i haz please?
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#563 - 2012-07-14 02:58:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
Sarray en Welle wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:




I'm sure that was the same face he had when he realized he was in his pod. Needless to say, I lol'd when I saw the fit we just killed.

For the cynics, API verified, biotches: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13920646


Chill, we believe u.. We are all adults, are we not?


actually, Deamon Ceed seems to have the mentality of a child more than an adult if you ask me. Just have a look at this bio, Now, THAT is funny. I'm with you, I would find no challenge and barely any fun in rolling around with 3 guys, ganking random miners who won't fight back.

Deamon Ceed bio:
"- Ambassador to the Holy Order of the Flying Speghetti Monster

Doing bad things to good people since 2011

Quotes:


Daemon Ceed > Just let me know when your cap gets back up so I can neut it again. Thx.
Blart Agrajag > jesus christ
Daemon Ceed > You can just call me Daemon.
Daemon Ceed > No need for the brevity.

Antonious Corvinus > it's just crazy how quick you beat the **** out of my ship....
Gutless2 Kunta-kin-ta > you ripped me to pieces in seconds"


I especially like the use of the word "brevity". Apparently he threw that in there to appear smart. LOL.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#564 - 2012-07-14 04:08:20 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Sarray en Welle wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:




I'm sure that was the same face he had when he realized he was in his pod. Needless to say, I lol'd when I saw the fit we just killed.

For the cynics, API verified, biotches: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13920646


Chill, we believe u.. We are all adults, are we not?


actually, Deamon Ceed seems to have the mentality of a child more than an adult if you ask me. Just have a look at this bio, Now, THAT is funny. I'm with you, I would find no challenge and barely any fun in rolling around with 3 guys, ganking random miners who won't fight back.

Deamon Ceed bio:
"- Ambassador to the Holy Order of the Flying Speghetti Monster

Doing bad things to good people since 2011

Quotes:


Daemon Ceed > Just let me know when your cap gets back up so I can neut it again. Thx.
Blart Agrajag > jesus christ
Daemon Ceed > You can just call me Daemon.
Daemon Ceed > No need for the brevity.

Antonious Corvinus > it's just crazy how quick you beat the **** out of my ship....
Gutless2 Kunta-kin-ta > you ripped me to pieces in seconds"


I especially like the use of the word "brevity". Apparently he threw that in there to appear smart. LOL.


Wow. You are certainly an obsessed tool, aren't you Fabulous Rod? You should really quote me and the slight misuse of a movie quote in every single post you make! I think that'd be excellent. The hilarious thing was that you weren't even the one to point out that I used the word incorrectly. Personally, I doubt that 90% of people in general could really tell you the definition of that word anyways. LOL. Go smoke a pole buddy ;)
GhostDragoon
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#565 - 2012-07-14 04:37:06 UTC
This thread again........ really???
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#566 - 2012-07-14 05:11:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Sarray en Welle wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:




I'm sure that was the same face he had when he realized he was in his pod. Needless to say, I lol'd when I saw the fit we just killed.

For the cynics, API verified, biotches: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13920646


Chill, we believe u.. We are all adults, are we not?


actually, Deamon Ceed seems to have the mentality of a child more than an adult if you ask me. Just have a look at this bio, Now, THAT is funny. I'm with you, I would find no challenge and barely any fun in rolling around with 3 guys, ganking random miners who won't fight back.

Deamon Ceed bio:
"- Ambassador to the Holy Order of the Flying Speghetti Monster

Doing bad things to good people since 2011

Quotes:


Daemon Ceed > Just let me know when your cap gets back up so I can neut it again. Thx.
Blart Agrajag > jesus christ
Daemon Ceed > You can just call me Daemon.
Daemon Ceed > No need for the brevity.

Antonious Corvinus > it's just crazy how quick you beat the **** out of my ship....
Gutless2 Kunta-kin-ta > you ripped me to pieces in seconds"


I especially like the use of the word "brevity". Apparently he threw that in there to appear smart. LOL.


Wow. You are certainly an obsessed tool, aren't you Fabulous Rod? You should really quote me and the slight misuse of a movie quote in every single post you make! I think that'd be excellent. The hilarious thing was that you weren't even the one to point out that I used the word incorrectly. Personally, I doubt that 90% of people in general could really tell you the definition of that word anyways. LOL. Go smoke a pole buddy ;)


It was actually going to be part of my next post but the other guy beat me to it and I didn't want to make it seem like that was the main reason your bio is laughable. I didn't want to cook you too quickly. One solid burn at a time. Even your re-interpretation is wrong, "brevity" simply means briefness.

On topic: Couldn't you easily make suicide ganking a loss for the ganker by salvaging the wreck? Seems like the mods for a hulk wouldn't even cover the costs of the dessy fits needed to kill them. Its so much prep work already to suicide gank miners, they really aren't making very much isk at all when they actually do happen to make a profit, considering all the accounts needed for it.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#567 - 2012-07-14 05:33:06 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:


It was actually going to be part of my next post but the other guy beat me to it and I didn't want to make it seem like that was the main reason your bio is laughable. I didn't want to cook you too quickly. One solid burn at a time. Even your re-interpretation is wrong, "brevity" simply means briefness.

On topic: Couldn't you easily make suicide ganking a loss for the ganker by salvaging the wreck? Seems like the mods for a hulk wouldn't even cover the costs of the dessy fits needed to kill them. Its so much prep work already to suicide gank miners, they really aren't making very much isk at all when they actually do happen to make a profit, considering all the accounts needed for it.


LMAO. Dude, you are hilarious! And you make yourself look stupid. A name can be shortened in the interest of brevity (i.e. using fewer words to describe or say something), and if you had the comprehension skills of something other than a housecat you could see that I was saying he could just call me "Daemon" rather than the much longer "Jesus Christ". I applied the word wrong, but the intent was obvious. If you thought you burned me, you're sorely mistaken.

And to futher your common lack of knowledge of how gankers operate, we typically have someone come in to gather up the wrecks of the Hulk, the Catalysts, and salvage all of the ships. Hulks drop some mighty nice T2 salvage. Intact Armor Plates are delicious! A typical gank Catalyst costs about 3-4mil. A single Modulated Strip Miner II costs ~6mil. If I get the Hulk loot, most of my loot and your of your delicious salvage I come out quite ahead. Most miners don't bother coming back for the loot. They are more worried about their nearly worthless 2mil can of ore that'll take them 2-3 trips in a Hauler to move out. Now that's comedy!



Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#568 - 2012-07-14 05:46:56 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
you make yourself look stupid. A name can be shortened in the interest of brevity (i.e. using fewer words to describe or say something), and if you had the comprehension skills of something other than a housecat you could see that I was saying he could just call me "Daemon" rather than the much longer "Jesus Christ". I applied the word wrong, but the intent was obvious. If you thought you burned me, you're sorely mistaken.




Yes, "Jesus Christ" is longer and you say "no need for the brevity" , just call me deamon, which is shorter, so you are actually using the word totally opposite its meaning, if that is what you even meant, lol.

Your confusion over this and the way you clown yourself so hard while pretending other people are dumb is hilarious!

BAHAHAHAHA!
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#569 - 2012-07-14 05:50:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Daemon Ceed
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:
you make yourself look stupid. A name can be shortened in the interest of brevity (i.e. using fewer words to describe or say something), and if you had the comprehension skills of something other than a housecat you could see that I was saying he could just call me "Daemon" rather than the much longer "Jesus Christ". I applied the word wrong, but the intent was obvious. If you thought you burned me, you're sorely mistaken.




Yes, "Jesus Christ" is longer and you say "no need for the brevity" , just call me deamon, which is shorter, so you are actually using the word totally opposite its meaning, if that is what you even meant, lol.

Your confusion over this and the way you clown yourself so hard while pretending other people are dumb is hilarious!

BAHAHAHAHA!


Derp, isn't that what I just said? I made a mistake in applying a word. OMG, nobody has every done that! Haha, smoke pole tool ;)
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#570 - 2012-07-15 03:38:29 UTC
He made a mistake, be an adult and get over yourself.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#571 - 2012-07-15 05:37:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Oh, cool!

This is the thread we're supposed to be necro'ing tonight!

(/Me giggles madly) URP-SPLOSION TYME NAOW!!

E:

I are kyute kitten.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Inda Bak
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#572 - 2012-07-15 08:01:29 UTC
Dodixie MarketSlave wrote:
Seriusly, I dont want to look harsh of something like that, but everybody knows and you knew before you sing up that EVE is a hardcore game. People plays eve because they can **** other people, PvP and there is no secure area. I mean High sec is highly situational...
To sum up part of the EvE sucess as a game is because of it's ruthless nature, other way people would be playing softcore mmo's like WoW and etc.



Successful in what terms? On a busy day, 47k peeps will be online. 47k x 12.50 a month isn't super successful. WoW may be a joke, but they have 10 million subscribers.

The learning curve turns away a lot of people. I know, I know, the peeps on these forums will be the first to say that they like it that way, but that puts their definition of successful into play, not the standard definition.

Eve does fit the whole internet phenominon of anyone can be an ass to anyone because there's no real accountability. I guess it's successful in those terms.
feihcsiM
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#573 - 2012-07-20 09:36:23 UTC
Could it be that hulks are designed to do things other than mine solo in highsec?
Maybe, say, in a mining fleet in a defended 0.0 system?
Could it be that there are other, much cheaper T1 ships that are more suitable for solo highsec mining which is a profession widely known to be both a vunerable and a preferential target for many?

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#574 - 2012-07-20 12:21:07 UTC
Inda Bak wrote:
Dodixie MarketSlave wrote:
Seriusly, I dont want to look harsh of something like that, but everybody knows and you knew before you sing up that EVE is a hardcore game. People plays eve because they can **** other people, PvP and there is no secure area. I mean High sec is highly situational...
To sum up part of the EvE sucess as a game is because of it's ruthless nature, other way people would be playing softcore mmo's like WoW and etc.



Successful in what terms? On a busy day, 47k peeps will be online. 47k x 12.50 a month isn't super successful. WoW may be a joke, but they have 10 million subscribers.

The learning curve turns away a lot of people. I know, I know, the peeps on these forums will be the first to say that they like it that way, but that puts their definition of successful into play, not the standard definition.

Eve does fit the whole internet phenominon of anyone can be an ass to anyone because there's no real accountability. I guess it's successful in those terms.


Successful in terms of how many other MMO's have been running for 9 years & continue to gain subscribers? Can you name any others?

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Sorceror Majiir
Doomheim
#575 - 2012-07-20 22:10:47 UTC
I'm with the OP, Inda, and the rest who support less violence in High Sec. Yes it hurts Eve revenues Mall and others,
imagine what would happen in WoW if players could 'warp in" to an ongoing dungeon.. engage those inside, kill them and take their stuff.. say good bye to a vast portion of those 10M subscribers.

Sure the perps get a free lunch.. and can mock and dis those they killed, but heh.. as a business, in a very competitive market, you want to attract players not **** them off. And this causes you to lose revenues because players will say.. C Ya.

Case in point, I had 9 accounts at one time in Eve.. all started around 2003-2004. I got rid of all but 1 now.. and I only occasionally play.

Lost revenues to Eve.. $120 a month, $1440 a year... to date ~ 8 years later roughly.. $11,520 ... LOST REVENUE ON 1 PLAYER.

Lets say they capture 10% of the Wow market by making eve less violent to new players and those that don't like being ganked in high sec by perps. Eve is a kick ass space game.. they should be able to do that.


1 Million new subscribers.. each with one acct gets $15M in new revenues monthly..

and a staggering $180 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

A 21x multiply on what they are making now.. hell I'd buy stock if they did that. That doesn't even count multiple accounts. So you want to really know what the cost of allowing perps to manipulate their game environment is... there ya go.

Just imagine how mega cool this game could be. WoW clearly shows where the vast amount of revenues are... personally I think Eve senior management should reinvent their long term business strategy and wake up. Their subscriber base has not significantly increased in 9 years. Why is that? Could it be that this strategy of allowing ganking to occur completely kills their ability to grow and attract new players - between that and the long learning curve, new players don't stand a chance.

So while all the perps continue to slap themselves on the back for successful crime and misconduct.. a great game stagnates and in business there is only one outcome to stagnation.


- Majiir
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#576 - 2012-07-20 23:23:55 UTC
Keep it relatively on topic please. Cleaned up the thread a bit.

-ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#577 - 2012-07-21 19:08:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Sorceror Majiir wrote:
[...]

Just imagine how mega cool this game could be. WoW clearly shows where the vast amount of revenues are... personally I think Eve senior management should reinvent their long term business strategy and wake up. Their subscriber base has not significantly increased in 9 years. Why is that? Could it be that this strategy of allowing ganking to occur completely kills their ability to grow and attract new players - between that and the long learning curve, new players don't stand a chance.

So while all the perps continue to slap themselves on the back for successful crime and misconduct.. a great game stagnates and in business there is only one outcome to stagnation.


- Majiir


It wouldn't be cool, though.

It would be a grating grind-fest based on laughably primitive mechanics, complete lack of immersion exacerbated by same, and buggered up further by an archaic, screen-hogging kludge of a UI, with gameplay that is, at best, average.

Get it through your head, for ****'s sake:

EVE =/= WoW, nor can it ever, they are completely different games, based on completely different paradigms. WoW does WoW much better than EVE could ever hope to, in any case.

No, EVE wouldn't be "cool" with an influx of stupid, over-entitled, easily-led little WoW-kids, it would be a complete effing nightmare--that would totally kill the community, and without the community, EVE would die quite quickly. Because without its community, there's just not much else there.

Oh, and EVE's subscriber-base has only grown year-over-year, with the quite-proper exception of that Incarna farce, so I don't know whose arse you're pulling that age-old, totally wrong assertion out of, but....yeah.

If you're such a fan of the "traditional/generic" MMO-model, then why don't you just go play those games? There are certainly enough to choose from. CCP is unlikely to return your phone-calls giving them "advice," regardless.

I can haz ur stuffs?

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Beachura
Doomheim
#578 - 2012-07-21 19:59:00 UTC
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.


Mate, I am a pilot who occasionally ganks in high sec and I have to agree that I think exhumers should receive a hit point increase. The cheaper mining barges are fine but the hulks and mackinaws I think do need to be buffed a tad.

Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#579 - 2012-07-22 01:30:48 UTC
Beachura wrote:
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.


Mate, I am a pilot who occasionally ganks in high sec and I have to agree that I think exhumers should receive a hit point increase. The cheaper mining barges are fine but the hulks and mackinaws I think do need to be buffed a tad.



Although I may be biased as a ganker, the Hulk and Mackinaw already get the best yield. You want the yield, you take the risk of having a flimsier ship. It's a fair trade-off.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#580 - 2012-07-22 03:05:18 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Beachura wrote:
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.


Mate, I am a pilot who occasionally ganks in high sec and I have to agree that I think exhumers should receive a hit point increase. The cheaper mining barges are fine but the hulks and mackinaws I think do need to be buffed a tad.



Although I may be biased as a ganker, the Hulk and Mackinaw already get the best yield. You want the yield, you take the risk of having a flimsier ship. It's a fair trade-off.

And will be even better when the mining buff goes through.

The lower yield miners will actually have better tanks. So even lazy miners will have a choice.

And if they die then in max yield Hulks, its their own fault.