Crime & Punishment

I agree with you, however, I'd like to point out that this would essentially entail the same thing: the whiners having to make a concerted effort, and work as a team, via their own initiative, to achieve a goal. This is something that will never happen, because it's simply easier for them to whine to get what they want.

Lord of the Rings Online is a real nice game. If you don't go to the designated PvP area I don't believe there is any possible way for one player to 'grief' another. You can't even train NPC crap onto people. Maybe you should give that a whirl?

Eve is a very different sort of game, and it's not for everybody. The possibility of being ganked is always there. For many that adds spice to the game, even when we are pursuing "carebear" activities. You have to try to be smart, as has already been noted. If you have real valuable stuff to haul you need to think it through, not just load 500 billion ISK worth of goodies into a freighter and set it to autopilot halfway across the universe. And, if you mine, you need to take Hulkageddon into account!

Bottom line: it's your own fault. Maybe Eve really isn't for you, so.... bye.

A BS will pop to 10 Tornadoes just like a Hulk. They are just not an 'official' Target.

Add in a Vulture and a few scimis and I bet that could make the gank attempts a lot more interesting....
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I don't think you understand. There is a type of player that will absolutely under no circumstances ever do anything that does not directly increase the quantity of ISK they can earn per hour without having to look at the screen, anything that would cause them to earn less isk is anathema to them as is anything that requires them to actually be playing the game, they would literally rather have their means of getting isk destroyed over and over again than switch to something that costs less and is a thousand times harder to destroy if it generates even so much as 1% less isk per hour. Many of these people also refuse to ever cooperate with other people at all, ever because cooperation means sharing and sharing means less profit. They also feel completely entitled to do what they want in absolute safety without anyone ever interacting with them and will spew bile and hatred at anyone who dares to disturb them.

Not all highsec miners are those people, but all of those people are highsec miners.

Some of the analogies that raging nerds come up with while they trip over each other trying to be noticed are so out of context, I wonder if they're posting in the wrong thread.

It's unfortunate that Eve is turning into what it is, and it's no fault of the game, but the people who use it.

You have miners earning (what everyone says) one of the lowest income streams in the game, and people feel justified 'lowering that ISK amount even further htfu' is ok. If anything, it's called for (to suicide gankers). I assume they haven't mined much, if at all, as illustrated by their understanding of the situation.

On the other hand, you have these people who will complain if they can't go around attacking (basically) defenseless ships, but make no mention of nullsec/lowsec PvP. It's almost like this element of the game is everything to them. It's almost as though padding their killmails is important, as if the nullsec alliance they plan to join won't notice they just suicide-gank mining ships. I could be wrong, but after years of seeing the same point of view being tossed around daily, it becomes clear.

This is akin to Battlefield 3, or any other game with statistics. You have these people who've been padding their stats in some manner or another, they make a big deal about how good they are, until the first person who bothers to actually check their stats to realise it's all noob tube and metro kills. Hectic skills. Let's all get excited and hormonal about a killmail when Goons kill a freighter 20 to 1.

Without bothering to read every page of the lobotomy showcase, I can see this is becoming a matter of concern for many players, or the thread wouldn't be growing 4 times as fast as neighbouring threads. And the argument seems to be between 2 groups of players, highsec miners, and the circling vultures looking for the defenseless mouse to kill.

Sure, you can say "Oh well they don't tank their ships, bad luck to them." - Well I say "Pity you can't get a kill without picking on afk mining ships, or camping lowsec gates." - Because if you were any more awesome than this, you'd be farming real kills that are actually mail worthy, as skilled players already understand.

(Havent lost any ships to geddon, am not mad, just another person with their 2 cents)

The final part of my 2 cents is sure, ships should be suicide gankable, not invincible. However, the cost should be higher for the suicide ganker than the cost of damage to the victim, OR at the very least, close. If a 250m ship took out a 300m ship, you wouldn't see such an issue. But this disparity in the value of ships is definitely a matter of concern.

You will note that none of Helicity's kills are mining ganks in highsec btw.

I don't need to pad my KB :P

There are fundamental differences between killing a mining barge with a few dedicated combat ships, and, say, doing 60,000 damage to everything on the grid with the press of a button. Some gameplay mechanics are/were objectively imbalanced, and some are/were simply perceived as such.

Let's say that destroyers get reverted back to their pre-buff stats. That simply means that they'll do 25% less damage. Do you know how much Hulks would have to be buffed in order to make the gankers only break even with the Hulk pilot in terms of costs? Hulks would need to have at least 80,000 EHP, and that's assuming that the destroyer pilots use T2 guns. If they use T1 guns, you can multiply that figure by at least 5.

So, if gankers use T2 gear to gank, your Hulk would need to have as much EHP as my pvp Loki. For T1 module ganks, your Hulk would need to have the EHP of a cyno-bait, deadspace-fit battleship.

Thanks for telling us what we should and shouldn't be doing, pvp pro. Your sage advice is a shining beacon that guides us all.

You're right about one thing, though. This "issue" has been a "problem" for a long, long time. Since the game came out, in fact.

jeremy i am a miner too. i lost a hulk to a ganker just b4 hulkabeggin. i decided to switch my view point about mining. mining is no longer an equitable source of income because of the cheapass ships able to gank you so easily. mining now is merely a place to grub up some isk and work it in the markets. thats how i made the switch. i refuse to mine and support the very people out to kill my ships becuz they think they have a right to do so. why should i mine and sell minerals to alliances that need billions of units of trit each month to build their fleets for conquest? let them mine their own damn ore and i hope the price of ships gets so high the gankers have to earn more isk than its worth to kill a hulk. they screw themselves in the end and thats the best part about it.