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Hulkageddon made me quit

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#321 - 2012-05-06 14:36:39 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
So far I know of 17 accounts unsubbed. . . .
Sure you do. Tomorrow it will be 25. By the end of the month, several hundred. As a counter, I know of 36 people who have subbed because Hulkageddon sounds really cool.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#322 - 2012-05-06 14:39:36 UTC
i am wondering how many keep playing because of events like hulkageddon

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#323 - 2012-05-06 14:39:50 UTC
Volksterb wrote:
Meh, don't know about that. Seems she is arguing about a game mechanic she disagrees with. I am a miner, its all I do. Am too old a man to fight young people in pvp and I feel eve developers have made sitting ducks out of us. There didn't used to be suicide gankings going on all the time but now there is so I think ships or high sec mechanics should change to make it more fair. I tank my Hulk but I know it can be ganked without much effort, people are blowing smoke when they say it has such high ehp.

EHP won't save Hulks, or EHP would save Freighters and Orcas from the same treatment.

Mechanics don't need to change to make it "fair" since any change would be less beneficial than using the mechanics already available to you.

I really can't say it enough; if you're not AFK and you use local & DSCAN you are almost impossible to gank.

What miners are asking for, is mommy CCP to come along and stack the deck in their favour. Assuming that did happen, there would still be:

a) Enough fools who expand their hulks rather than tank them anyway
and
b) You galvanise gankers who really won't need to put much more on the line to make it happen.

The solution, from your POV, is to stop being a hapless victim and start learning the game.

Again, if I can teach members of my corp to mine safely in WHs (and I did this too, as a newb) then it is ******* tragic that you can't achieve the same in HIGHSEC.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Jessie42
Eighty Joule Brewery
Goonswarm Federation
#324 - 2012-05-06 14:48:28 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Enough fools who expand their hulks rather than tank them anyway


This is the OP's lossmail http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13257194

Now, he did a T1 tank (laff) with 2x SSE, 1x SSB and 1x invuln. This doesn't add a whole lot of tank, but it's more than 0, right?

Also, he fully expanded it, which takes away armor and hull amount. Most people don't know that fully expanding does that or are too stupid to see that removing EHP off your armor and hull is completely ******** if you're trying to survive a gank.

Fit a DC II. Seriously. Stop max expanding your hulls.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#325 - 2012-05-06 15:01:16 UTC
Jessie42 wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Enough fools who expand their hulks rather than tank them anyway


This is the OP's lossmail http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13257194

Now, he did a T1 tank (laff) with 2x SSE, 1x SSB and 1x invuln. This doesn't add a whole lot of tank, but it's more than 0, right?

Also, he fully expanded it, which takes away armor and hull amount. Most people don't know that fully expanding does that or are too stupid to see that removing EHP off your armor and hull is completely ******** if you're trying to survive a gank.

Fit a DC II. Seriously. Stop max expanding your hulls.


The easiest way to mine safely is to mine in pairs, and dual / tripple web each other (or at minimum, have your hauler dual web your hulk).

Hey, presto, you align as fast as an interceptor and you're almost impossible to catch.

But then, they're against using game mechanics to their advantage so v0v

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#326 - 2012-05-06 15:08:02 UTC
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.

I find it totally intolerable that those same 3 ships can easily kill a tanked 300m faction battleship and somehow you think that's okay, but not when it happens to your non-combat ship class. Get the **** out of my Eve you special snowflake.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#327 - 2012-05-06 15:08:27 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
So far I know of 17 accounts unsubbed. . . .
Sure you do. Tomorrow it will be 25. By the end of the month, several hundred. As a counter, I know of 36 people who have subbed because Hulkageddon sounds really cool.


It was 14 from our alliance who said they were unsubbing until after this hulkgankfest, plus my husband decided to unsub his 3 until afterwards since diablo is releasing and he wants to play with that a bit anyway. You are mistaken if you think I care enough about anyones opinion on this forum to feel the need to lie about anything. But at any rate, I have said all I can on this topic and at times had adversarial arguements with people and I have no desire for that. I leave this topic as its just a non productive mess.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#328 - 2012-05-06 15:53:53 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
plus my husband decided to unsub his 3 until afterwards

Your husband is a lucky man, because often men that spineless are completely unappealing to women.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#329 - 2012-05-06 15:57:52 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
plus my husband decided to unsub his 3 until afterwards

Your husband is a lucky man, because often men that spineless are completely unappealing to women.


OK, I was going to just leave this topic. Spineless? If you knew him in life you would realize how dumb that is. He was a decorated military officer and now works hard everyday to provide for his wife and daughters. When he plays Eve, he likes to just relax, mine and talk with friends. Just because he dislikes pvp does not make him spineless you petty little toad.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#330 - 2012-05-06 16:09:25 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
plus my husband decided to unsub his 3 until afterwards

Your husband is a lucky man, because often men that spineless are completely unappealing to women.


OK, I was going to just leave this topic. Spineless? If you knew him in life you would realize how dumb that is. He was a decorated military officer and now works hard everyday to provide for his wife and daughters. When he plays Eve, he likes to just relax, mine and talk with friends. Just because he dislikes pvp does not make him spineless you petty little toad.


"I want to relax in a game world, so I will join the one game that has the reputation for being the most brutal PVP experience possible and then whine about it" is not a better position to take than my previous statement.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#331 - 2012-05-06 16:11:01 UTC
Also, if "Mr Military" can't perform a basic risk:reward analysis in a fictional environment, then I really don't know how to comment further.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Scien Inkunen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#332 - 2012-05-06 16:43:05 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
plus my husband decided to unsub his 3 until afterwards

Your husband is a lucky man, because often men that spineless are completely unappealing to women.



There must be a contest for stupid comments, yes?

Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life !

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#333 - 2012-05-06 17:00:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Scien Inkunen wrote:


There must be a contest for stupid comments, yes?



Yes. It's been ongoing for nine years. And thanks for contributing this one. Lol

It's called the EVE-O Forums.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#334 - 2012-05-06 22:03:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarah Schneider
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.

This is the very reason why i keep playing Eve, also this is the same reason why i managed to get 2 of my RL friends to drop their MMO and sub to Eve and at least 3 random people to sub their account to trial.

Also, why is it that miners whine when their 300mil ship got blown up by cheap ships while there are lots of other cases, say, 1.5 bil tengus got killed by those same ships?

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#335 - 2012-05-06 22:05:47 UTC
If you were a victim of a hisec gank, what steps did you take to avoid that gank?

As a miner and industrialist for over 3 years now, and still owning my first Hulk, I have to ask: How the heck do you get ganked in hisec? Because the only ways I know of require you to:

1. Be AFK, so begging to be ganked.
2. Be ignorant of all the advice available on how to avoid being ganked.
3. Be too lazy to follow all the advice available on how to avoid being ganked.
4. Have recruited a ganker into your corp without checking (also see #2 and #3 above).

What am I missing?

I fully believe that everything good or bad that happens to you in EVE is because of your own actions or inaction. When I lose a ship, I know it was because I screwed-up, or knowingly took an exceptional risk, so there is nobody to blame but myself.
Katerwaul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#336 - 2012-05-06 23:52:54 UTC
Hulkageddon is a form of harassment that needs to be regulated by the government. Concord should begin shooting people in their pods & forcibly biomassing them. After all, why should I be accountable for what happens when my game is playing by itself. I mean there isn't even a PAUSE button. How can I take a break to do stuff in safety with all of this stress? MY TV DINNER ISN'T GOING TO MAKE ITSELF AND I REALLY NEED TO PLAY THIS FACEBOOK GAME WHILE I'M MINING.

I'm not going to say I'll never AFK. But the last time I AFKed it was in the middle of a mission I was speed tanking & I had accidentally set my stove on fire. Put the fire out & came back in time to ***** about having to align back into combat & wait for 2 minutes before I could engage any of my targets, then went back into the kitchen & made sure the fire was out while I waited to get back into the action.


Eve doesn't have a pause button. Live accordingly.
Working with everyone to improve New Eden -- Internet Spaceships Iz Serious Business.
Golar Crexis
Donald Trump Real Estate
#337 - 2012-05-07 00:20:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Golar Crexis
Sarah Schneider wrote:

Also, why is it that miners whine when their 300mil ship got blown up by cheap ships while there are lots of other cases, say, 1.5 bil tengus got killed by those same ships?



Dear test.

We're sorry.

Pizza.


Also from my experience I have seen a surge in newbros joining eve and asking stupid questions and shitting up comms. A lot of them joined cause of Burn Jita and hulkageddon.
Aldarr Mentakk
Dragon.
Pandemic Horde
#338 - 2012-05-07 01:46:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldarr Mentakk
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Katja Faith wrote:
Hulka-what? So basically, you're a wuss and quit?

Gotcha.


No I just don't see how 3 moronic griefers with no risk will make me mine for wweeks on end to get another Hulk.

That is the point. And yes, maybe I am a wuss.



isn't that the point of mining? what the hell are you going to do with the money you would have gotten anyways? save it up for a fancy new mlu II? the only real problem i see here is people finding out that HIGHSEC SUCKS. and obviously it's going over your head that you should just sell all your crap and move to nullsec. you never hear of alliances ganking their own hulk fleets.

EDIT: and i can't even describe how many posts and replys and news articles i've read where people say THE MOST OBVIOUS THING. have someone hang out with you in a combat or logi ship. and give them some of the profit for their trouble so it's not a complete waste of their time. so much for common sense eh? who needs it anyways. oh, and if you're too damn selfish to ever want to split with your "hard earned isk" [because click and dragging ores from your cargo to the can is so labor intensive], then you deserve to lose your ship. now let me put a bucket at your feet to catch those ever so sweet tears.
Orlacc
#339 - 2012-05-07 01:54:33 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
If you were a victim of a hisec gank, what steps did you take to avoid that gank?

As a miner and industrialist for over 3 years now, and still owning my first Hulk, I have to ask: How the heck do you get ganked in hisec? Because the only ways I know of require you to:

1. Be AFK, so begging to be ganked.
2. Be ignorant of all the advice available on how to avoid being ganked.
3. Be too lazy to follow all the advice available on how to avoid being ganked.
4. Have recruited a ganker into your corp without checking (also see #2 and #3 above).

What am I missing?

I fully believe that everything good or bad that happens to you in EVE is because of your own actions or inaction. When I lose a ship, I know it was because I screwed-up, or knowingly took an exceptional risk, so there is nobody to blame but myself.



Couldn't have said it better. I still own my first Hulk as well.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Abannan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#340 - 2012-05-07 05:14:46 UTC
If you can't afford to replace your hulk when somebody suicide ganks it, don't undock in it
The "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" rule applies to exhumers too...