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Team Avatar and the future of our prototype

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3881 - 2014-05-12 08:16:19 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
In the very original lore, clones were wildly unstable and unable to survive outside the carefully controlled environment of a pod. It make sense that the technology would improve steadily, especially once it escaped the grasp of the empires. Which is all just a roundabout way of saying that if CCP wants us in dry cockpits, with a specialized interface plugged into the jacks in our spines, that can happen.

Pods make more sense for long-term deployments, though, so it wouldn't shock me if they stuck around. That's not mutually exclusive with the clone being able get out and walk around. In fact, that's already lore.

The moments close to your ship being destroyed are very intense and critical. I can't imagine the capsuleer managing this as well as being able to run into a pod and hit eject. The only physical way it's possible is for him to already be in the pod.

I actually like the idea of super advanced genetically engineered human beings are these grotesque, capsule-borne who project avatars that are fleshy, pink, and perfect looking. The capsuleer is always in a pod, in a prison of fluid and cables, and she is forever projecting a human-looking GAP clothes wrapped virtual self that is giving orders, pushing buttons on controls, and managing the vitals of the ship and her crew. There could be a floating projector in the ship presenting an interactable hologram of the capsuleer's avatar.

This could also be what CQ is.. a virtual room for an otherwise completely trapped capsuleer.

Don't you think this part of the lore should be preserved? Why make these guys look and act like everyone else? They are demigods and monsters..

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Solecist Project
#3882 - 2014-05-12 13:18:11 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
... fleshy, pale, and perfect looking.
I fixed that typo for you, my dear. (:

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Master Flakattack
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3883 - 2014-05-12 14:17:45 UTC
Beofryn Sedorak wrote:
You can make all the terrible jokes about "Wizrds in space" or "Emoting in stations", Fortunately for the rest of us, Your vocal minority doesn't by itself have any actual impact on the business decisions that CCP make. They make their decisions on things mature people evaluate, Product viability, Market reception, Demographic saturation (And a million other things). They have a TON of experience in making games, You can toss some of the mistakes they've made on a pole and parade them around, But you can't deny that CCP has succesfully made a game that makes you irrationally passionate about things to the point that you'll make a fool of yourself repeatedly with the same repetitious garbage over and over and over again all because someone else is interested in something that you're not. If you want to talk about what would be bad things for CCP to do, it would be to base their decisions on the opinions of vocal minority's and nay sayers instead of rational thought and evaluation of detailed market analysis that we as non CCP employees aren't privy to.

But in all honesty, If the idea of WiS annoys you so much, You probably shouldn't spend so much time engrossing yourself in it's community. Just sayin it's kind of like intentionally torturing yourself.

Even if WiS was added as just the tack-on social content it was planned to be, do you really think it would have made a difference? And for a space ship game like EVE, do you really think the people holding out for WiS before playing the game were going to stick around once they found out it was just for show? The best part of your entire post is when you say CCP is crunching the numbers and it's "fortunate for the rest of us"... do you not think that maybe that is the reason they canned your /dance emotes in the first place? Your entire argument works against you the minute you ask one simple question: what does WiS actually add to the game? User retention and other business considerations don't tend to like the answer "nothing".

And then Legion comes out and it's not "walking" but fighting in stations. Having capsuleers in civvie clothes wandering around a warzone makes no sense. And just like that, Legion doesn't change a thing either.

Perhaps someday CCP will develop valid gameplay around WiS and then capsuleers will have a reason to leave their ships. Until that day, just remember CCP canned your bar simulator for a reason.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#3884 - 2014-05-12 14:26:54 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


(Zero Gravity)

:P

Stick with your tattoos, mei mei. Blink

Seriously though... if you can work on Legion, then you can work on EVA, no?

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)

Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#3885 - 2014-05-12 16:51:09 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
The lore is a character in its own right, the game world has to absolutely support your actions otherwise the game won't make any sense.

Don't be so quick to trample on the lore, without it eve is just a space rts game, with it, it's a science fiction simulator.


I'm not saying "screw the lore," I'm saying that they're setting the lore up to explain a number of different options for clones that they're currently either working toward or looking at.

Who knows where they'll end up going? But the Valkyrie tech opens up some interesting options. And, of course, capsuleer tech can also be improved.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#3886 - 2014-05-12 20:07:07 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
The lore is a character in its own right, the game world has to absolutely support your actions otherwise the game won't make any sense.

Don't be so quick to trample on the lore, without it eve is just a space rts game, with it, it's a science fiction simulator.


I'm not saying "screw the lore," I'm saying that they're setting the lore up to explain a number of different options for clones that they're currently either working toward or looking at.

Who knows where they'll end up going? But the Valkyrie tech opens up some interesting options. And, of course, capsuleer tech can also be improved.


I agree, I never meant to imply that you were saying 'screw the lore', apologies if it's come across that way.

I do respect the law and as long as CCP respects the 'science' in the 'science fiction' and writes something that ties it all together then I am all for it.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Myxx
The Scope
#3887 - 2014-05-13 21:39:14 UTC
The door needs to open, and hopefully this new method of having faster release times will let them get ambitious enough to get it done.
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#3888 - 2014-05-13 21:49:25 UTC
WiS is not something I'm interested in.

Would it be cool to be able to move around in your quarters, visit your clone room and swap fromEve to Valkarie to Legion? Sure. I dont see it working whatosever though, considering that Legion and Valkarie and Eve are all diferent engines (unless im wrong and legion and valk are both on UE4, but still). So I guess there is that idea out of the themepark.

Would it be cool if we had a room to upgrade our clones and see our next body waiting there? Sure. But then again, I can see a plethora of pervs stepping up and podgooing all over, so I guess that's a no as well.

And why bother when everything I need to do in a station can be done with keyboard shortcuts and/or a few clicks, and spit me back out to do whatever else I need to do that isn't chasing my solid kneecaps toon back and forth?

CQ need to leave. They are a nice gimick, but that's as far as I'm interested in it. I don't need it, and i gain nothing by having it.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165

Doreen Kaundur
#3889 - 2014-05-13 21:53:57 UTC
The first post of this thread is dated 2012.10.09

So just where is this future prototype?

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#3890 - 2014-05-13 22:07:32 UTC
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
The first post of this thread is dated 2012.10.09

So just where is this future prototype?


Other posts have come along that announced the end of team avatar and death of their prototype.
Doreen Kaundur
#3891 - 2014-05-13 22:12:00 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
The first post of this thread is dated 2012.10.09

So just where is this future prototype?


Other posts have come along that announced the end of team avatar and death of their prototype.



Then this thread should be closed.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3892 - 2014-05-13 22:15:17 UTC
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
The first post of this thread is dated 2012.10.09

So just where is this future prototype?


Other posts have come along that announced the end of team avatar and death of their prototype.



Then this thread should be closed.


a LONG time ago.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Beofryn Sedorak
#3893 - 2014-05-13 22:29:39 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
The first post of this thread is dated 2012.10.09

So just where is this future prototype?


Other posts have come along that announced the end of team avatar and death of their prototype.



Then this thread should be closed.


a LONG time ago.



Please cite the rule this thread is breaking. If you can't, then your argument is invalid.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3894 - 2014-05-13 22:48:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Beofryn Sedorak wrote:

Please cite the rule this thread is breaking. If you can't, then your argument is invalid.


Quote:
26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.


There is no Team Avatar, they were disbanded about 1/2 way into this thread when WiS was scrapped. This thread was created to solicit feedback specifically for that team and (now discontinued) project. Anything not related to Team Avatar specifically is technically off-topic, and catch-22 is also in play.

A new thread with a relevant subject in F&I would be applicable at this point.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Flamespar
WarRavens
#3895 - 2014-05-13 22:57:06 UTC
Nope. This thread continues to show the support for avatar gameplay.
Beofryn Sedorak
#3896 - 2014-05-13 22:57:30 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Beofryn Sedorak wrote:

Please cite the rule this thread is breaking. If you can't, then your argument is invalid.


Quote:
26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.


There is no Team Avatar, they were disbanded about 1/2 way into this thread when WiS was scrapped. Anything not related to Team Avatar specifically is technically off-topic, and catch-22 is also in play.

A new thread with a relevant subject in F&I would be applicable at this point.



The topic of this thread is WiS, and more specifically a prototype for Wis. Moving up one level to WiS from A prototype regarding WiS is not off topic. Posting that a thread should be closed is however, Off-topic ;)
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3897 - 2014-05-13 23:02:59 UTC
Beofryn Sedorak wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Beofryn Sedorak wrote:

Please cite the rule this thread is breaking. If you can't, then your argument is invalid.


Quote:
26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.


There is no Team Avatar, they were disbanded about 1/2 way into this thread when WiS was scrapped. Anything not related to Team Avatar specifically is technically off-topic, and catch-22 is also in play.

A new thread with a relevant subject in F&I would be applicable at this point.



The topic of this thread is WiS, and more specifically a prototype for Wis. Moving up one level to WiS from A prototype regarding WiS is not off topic. Posting that a thread should be closed is however, Off-topic ;)


Maybe you guys should start a kickstarter campaign to get the team back together.



There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#3898 - 2014-05-13 23:57:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Shalua Rui wrote:
Alice Saki wrote:
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


(Zero Gravity)

:P

Stick with your tattoos, mei mei. Blink

Seriously though... if you can work on Legion, then you can work on EVA, no?



Errr...

Let me put it this way. The staff for Dust had more than twice the number of devs when it was in full development swing. It's down to less than half, and they are rebooting the game entirely as Legion in hopes it will somehow be better... and they are actually serious about it.

I am not currently of the belief that CCP actually has the manpower required to do anything respectable before the technology they are working with becomes obsolete. Were they to split resources further, I think we would see Legion being released in 2019 earliest and proper ambulation even later than that.

And of course, I feel very strongly about ambulation. I just don't see how CCP plans on getting anything done with the way they've been running things.
Irya Boone
The Scope
#3899 - 2014-05-14 09:12:43 UTC
I watche the trailers and i saw WiS

I read true stories and I saw WiS

I read the chronicles and i imagined WiS

So .... let me see it IG !!

I'm a pilot not a ship

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3900 - 2014-05-14 10:23:29 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Nope. This thread continues to show the support for avatar gameplay.

this thread only continues to exist due to an incredibly small number of posters bumping it about once or twice a week. they get trolled a few times then the thread dives back to page three.