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Appeal to CCP and all players (based on what had happened in HED-GP)

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BobFromMarketing
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#81 - 2014-01-20 09:17:38 UTC
Silent Nightingale wrote:
Dear CCP,


Eve Online is a game which is а MMORPG, the main advantage of which is declared to be the chance of taking part in large-scale battles with thousands of ships fighting in one system. Not long ago there was a battle in HED-GP and lots of pilots have prepared their ships, looking forward to have much fun that day. That battle was supposed to be a culmination of a long war between the leading claim alliances. But instead of that they had to face terrible lags and infernal TD because of your inability to provide the stable functioning of your servers. Both sides – those who killed and those who lost ships there are highly disappointed with what was going on and what they have got. It was not a fair battle - everything that happened there had nothing to do with game principles and mechanics, and it has no logical explanation.
Moreover, those pilots who had lost expensive ships in lags due to the technical problems on your side haven’t received any reimbursement and it is demonstration of your injustice and total negligence towards common players. You provided reimbursement in similar cases but now you provide us with nothing else but excuses, which is obviously not enough. We asked to fix lags, but you either did nothing or suggested some partial solution which didn’t fix the problem in general. We were patient and we used to put up with it, but it was the last straw that broke the camel’s back.
We are a group of people who cares for this game. A small group, but as soon as this message is posted on all eve-forums in all languages that we speak you will see how many people will be eager to join us. And we want you to start serious work on the technical problems you have now immediately. We want you to inform all the players about the changes and modifications that you are going to introduce in the nearest future to fix the lags and we need to know the time when it they will be embodied.
Besides we demand reimbursement for all the ships killed in that period of time as a result of the system failures. And we want you to provide pilots with new ships or isks if it happens again. If a ship was lost not because of a pilot’s mistake or poor pvp skill, but as a result of a technical problem on your side - it is your fault and you must recompense for it. We spent our time, isks and efforts in game to gain those ships in an honest and lawful way and no one will put up with the fact of losing them because of game defects.
If this message will have no effect on you and you ignore our words as you used to do before in 3 days we will do the following:

1) We will deactivate most of our accounts and stop buying plexes from the official site. Some of us have already got rid of their accounts and is just a beginning - there will be much more and soon. All secondary carebear or cyno accounts that are not really important for us to play the game will be frozen until the matter is settled. We will ask all our friends and accomplices to do the same.

2) We will take our ships to high-sec and send massive fleets to such systems as Amarr, Jita or Dodixie to share all the fascination of TD and lags with those pilots who do not take part in claim wars. We doubt it will make them feel happy and soon they will either leave the game or support our ideas.

3) We will ask talented people, who have played a lot and know this game well to write a number of surveys and to make a number of video clips in different languages showing what the liner side of the game – the td, the lags, the technical imperfection of Eve Online and the proves of your unfair and careless attitude towards common players. These videos and surveys will be posted on every single game forum, under every your commercial to let the new players know what they will really get instead of fun that they see on your trailers. We will let them understand that for you all the players are not more than a source of income and if they face problems you will do nothing but apologize. Bad fame spreads quickly, but it will take years to get rid of it. And most people prefer to trust real gamers not trailers. If they see what really happens in multi-player battles, the “chess-shooter”, the unjust victories covered by developers you can be sure they will give up the idea of playing Eve.

The number of new players will fall, a number of old pilots will leave and it will affect you income and make you pay attention to these problems. We will wait for 3 days to see your first steps and your willingness to start a constructive dialogue with the players’ community. If you start work and make up for the unjust losses we are not going to escalate the conflict. But if not, you will leave us no choice and we can’t see any other way of drawing your attention. We have little to lose now, cause we have lost any interest to play this game.

Dear pilots
If you care for what happens, if you are fed up with the lags, show your solidarity by giving likes to the topic and adding your comments and proposals. If you are ready to help us in any way tell us what you can do. Let the developers see that it is not a couple of whinning pilots but the opinion of the majority. They won’t be able to ignore it. We must do something to get what we deserve – fun and fair play.
Please, repost this text to your game forums and give a link to this topic.


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BobFromMarketing
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#82 - 2014-01-20 09:21:36 UTC
Guys I am so mad that jumping over 500 people in at 0 on 3500 people ends in lag! Do something about this! It would work fine in WoW!


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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#83 - 2014-01-20 09:21:53 UTC
Silent Nightingale wrote:
2) We will take our ships to high-sec and send massive fleets to such systems as Amarr, Jita or Dodixie to share all the fascination of TD and lags with those pilots who do not take part in claim wars. We doubt it will make them feel happy and soon they will either leave the game or support our ideas.


You are going to be waiting a long time on the Jita gate, the system has a ~2000 player population limit.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Bobbechk
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#84 - 2014-01-20 09:22:10 UTC
Privyet Stalin here

NO BACK DOWN, NO RETREAT YOU ARE CONTINUE CYNO IN DREAD TO HED-STALINGRADSKI UNTIL THE CITY IS RECAPTURE

ANY TRAITORS CAUGHT JUMP TO STAIN OR TRY TO UNSUB WILL BE HUNTED BY KGB AS FILTHY DOGS

The glorious Soviet Socialist republic shall prevail
BobFromMarketing
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#85 - 2014-01-20 09:22:33 UTC
But seriously people, don't blame CCP, blame yourselves or God.
Terri Mk4
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#86 - 2014-01-20 09:49:11 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Jita/amarr?
Mission hubs probably will be have bigger effect.
You have my support.

This is not about reimbursement - it is about FIXING issue by CCP.
Thing that happened in HED will be in every station or important system starting from now on.

Capitals and supers are broken - when it comes to current capabilities of EVE servers.
900 n3 capitals and supers that was in HED can be only responded with a bigger fleet - and EVE just proved that it is not ready for this.
CCP have to be aware that this is not some issue that might show up in the future but something that IS happening right now.


this is a good post which almost drowns in the slander and drivel from one specific side.

It gets right at the core of the problem, which is not sov: it’s that once a critical mass of caps/scpas/titans is assembled in one place, the required counter would be too much to crash the server. Therefore such a capital blob is pretty much invincible with the current game performance restraints. Great game design!
Makalu Zarya
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
#87 - 2014-01-20 09:50:43 UTC
dear OP

I do not recollect CCP making you jump in, nor did they make you put 1000 dominixes into local. 1000 dominixes is 5000 sentry drones, while 450 carriers is 4500, not to mention the combined ship count is 6000 vs 4950. Fighter bombers weren't put out until well into the fight so we will ignore those for the moment (as a side note only 5 were put out for the majority of the fight).

Therefore perhaps you should petition those people who made you jump in and lose your dread, because they are the ones that made you jump not CCP. I for one would like to thank ccp for making sure the node didn't go down. Speaking of great dread losses. It is 4 years, almost to the day since the the cva d-g welp (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5682550 my dread loss). The local was 1500 with no drones anywhere and ~200 cva dreads never loaded. A few did but from what I recall it was less than 10. Local in HED-GP peaked at nearly (or over by some claims) 4000 people. Personally I never saw 4000. Therefore anyone who claims that CCP hasn't improved the game is an utter moron.

Your biggest mistake, however, was not jumping in, it was putting 1000 domies on the field ahead of you. Have you not done that you would've probably loaded just fine, and instead of domies would've not loaded. At the end of the day domies did not play a role in the fight, they were just there for...i don't know what they were there for. It was your mentality that you HAVE TO HAVE subcaps, which we have proven is wrong time and time again.

The second mistake you made is fighting some of the most experienced capital FCs in eve, while yourself having near 0 experience in the matter...sorry solo shooting sbus is not experience. No matter how much you claim experience doesn't matter, it does.

so blame who you want, cause clearly in no way shape or form can it be your fault that you jumped in, in the end, it is.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#88 - 2014-01-20 09:51:18 UTC
BobFromMarketing wrote:
But seriously people, don't blame CCP, blame yourselves or God.



+1 for FF Tactics reference.

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Abdul Secheh
Zima Corp
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#89 - 2014-01-20 09:51:29 UTC
i liked post with all my active accounts - it went from 79 to 84, now it's 80 likes only.

CCP, are you serious?
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#90 - 2014-01-20 09:54:45 UTC
How many players actually 'liked' the comment? 1?

I'm no mathmetician, but I can count to one fairly well.

Maybe I should start 'liking' all my comments with my own alts too.

My views would be so popular then.

Oh wait.

YK
Alice Ituin
Doomheim
#91 - 2014-01-20 10:03:42 UTC
Terri Mk4 wrote:

It gets right at the core of the problem, which is not sov: it’s that once a critical mass of caps/scpas/titans is assembled in one place, the required counter would be too much to crash the server. Therefore such a capital blob is pretty much invincible with the current game performance restraints. Great game design!

True, but this wasn't the case in HED.
Silent Nightingale
Wing-Holding
SOLAR WING.
#92 - 2014-01-20 10:09:14 UTC
Please, leave your political preferences for some other topic. It is not what really matters now. It is not important who lost the ships and how many were lost, the point is HOW they were lost and what was done about it. The rules of any game must be clear and a game must be fair, otherwise it makes no sense to take part in it. Is it really interesting to "Win" not due to the command of FC's and skilled pilots, not due to good strategies and tactics. but with the help of lags and system failures? Both sides of the conflict are strong enough to win the war or at least to show a good fight with lag generators turned off. So forget about politics, stop trolling each other and ask yourself if there is a real thechnical problem that needs CCP's attention and if CCP must reconpense ships every time they make us lose them. If you agree with that - put a like to the topic, lots of likes will help to draw necessary attention and push developers to decide something ib general. If it happens both sides will enjoy the results.


And by the way. is war declaration a legal reason to use drones in Jita?
Alice Ituin
Doomheim
#93 - 2014-01-20 10:16:27 UTC
Silent Nightingale wrote:
The rules of any game must be clear and a game must be fair, otherwise it makes no sense to take part in it.

The rules where absolutely clear. Drop 800 dreads directly on grid in a system that is already overloaded with 2700 ships and bad stuff happens. Especially when half of those ships on grid are domis.
Yazoul Samaiel
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#94 - 2014-01-20 10:25:28 UTC
Someone told me this is the goonies and rus whine thread , i brought just 1 bucket to collect the tears but after reading this i should have brought more buckets heh Lol
Diva Ex Machina
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#95 - 2014-01-20 10:41:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Diva Ex Machina
Lucas Rutherford wrote:
I get that you (CFC/RUS) are upset at the loss of so many dreads, I honestly get that. What I don't understand is the misplaced anger at CCP. I don't believe I've ever posted on these forums other than to buy alts, but I felt this needed to be said.


I believe their leaders are telling them to blame and petition CCP about it in an effort to deflect blame for their own FCs' poor decision making during the fight:

http://www.eveskunk.com/?messageID=334841731

Also, IBTL.
Corsa Corsa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2014-01-20 11:01:02 UTC
+2
Dear CCP, start to work with important things!!!
Raiderovi4
Perkone
Caldari State
#97 - 2014-01-20 11:17:25 UTC
+1
Findail
Quid Plorus
#98 - 2014-01-20 11:34:25 UTC
I'd suggest that CCP look at implementing a points based system cap - same way that they already do alliance tournies.

The blob issue disappears, lag becomes less of an issue, we get good fights, and they don't have to do a huge code rewrite to move from single threaded to multi-threaded code, which is a pretty unrealistic expectation
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#99 - 2014-01-20 11:47:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
all idiots lost their ships because they put 1000 of them into already heavily loaded system, your fault.
Every time CCP improves server performance, you will bring just more people and complain again.

CCP should not and will not reimburse any losses resulted in sheer stupidity, sorry for you.
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#100 - 2014-01-20 11:55:35 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Can I have your stuff?

As a serious note, the lag you get from 3k pilots in a system is a physical hardware limitation issue which is extremely difficult and expensive to overcome. IT isnt CCP's fault that NS people are a bunch of cap sitting blobbers who have long forgotten what a fun fight looks like.

Exactly...

But stupid people won't understand this...