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Appeal to CCP and all players (based on what had happened in HED-GP)

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Pea Nutz
Doomheim
#41 - 2014-01-20 02:29:52 UTC
"Tears make cookies taste better...... I LIKE COOKIES !"
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#42 - 2014-01-20 02:30:32 UTC
Ramatak wrote:
Ok so let me get this right. N3 used the same tactic in HED that CFC used in 6vdt by getting into system first and the outcome was the same meaning that N3 held the most important tactical advantage. You guys knew the importance of this and now that your enemy used it and whooped you with it. Now you are complaining about it and demanding a refund of all lost Dreads? The only thing I can say is..........WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oops one more thing Can I have your stuff.


Yea, and I've never seen tears like this from anyone else.

I just love goon tears.
Roboticus420
Bomber Stelka Dva Titana
#43 - 2014-01-20 02:33:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Roboticus420
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
Roboticus420 wrote:
Its all good and well asking for ccp to do their job and improve a game we play, aka re-write code. This would benifit everyone, although ccp have earned more than enough to fund this development them selves, I would not doubt that alot of players would donate money to improve the game, to chivey things along.
Now we all want tidi/lagg improved, however Hed-GP was noob mistakes made on Rus/cfc part.
The lack of experience was no excuse for noob mistakes like
1) Cynoing caps into same grid that was already F**ked.
Cyno them off grid, allow them to load,dont welp fleet at least initially.
2) Also its obvious, its simple to know that eve's ability does not stretch as far as we would like currently, so why make another stupid decision and bring 1.5-2+K subcaps into system and then try and drop dreads there after. Yes we know rus/cfc significantly outnumber N3/PL, but skill/structure and strategy adaption wins us many a fight as proven, and will continue to do so. So throw your toys out the pram all you like but CFCs only strategy of having the biggest blob does not always win.

If Rus/cfc had dropped dreads 1st maxing out system, better still off grid, a likelyhood with ccp reinforcing the node it would have held,and subcaps would have been able to eventually multiply in system there after.
CFC the coalition with the same tactics for many a year although having lack of cap experience,should have known when looking at these numbers whom ever is set up in system first is likely to win. Their only strategy of blobbing system till the sun don't shine is based upon this concept.
So that makes rus/cfcs crying and tears all that more fabulious since they could have mitigated their failure by taking the simple steps above, but didn't.

Rus start thinking logically,head west do your self a favour and take cfcs renting fields that are already set up for you to take. They cannot do anything to stop you,cfc cannot fight successfully on multiple fronts. You think they will embrace you as a brother after completition of war, if so who you kidding, as always you will be thrown under the bus by them, your nothing but a meatshield/ a pet of cfcs currently, and I know from forums/chatter alot of guys in Rus alliances are not pleased with how things are going, and are still not pleased about being cfc pets/ solar being the nail that sticks out, as they under Macteps influence vendetta against those who saw fit to show them the error of their ways, by getting upturned.
Or carry on padding our KBs ;)


The multitude of sub caps and dreads weren't there to have a fight, they were hoping to bring down the server and then try to mop up the wrecking-ball as they logged back in and were all split up and scattered across half the system.

I personally think that the server not failing is a very good step in the right direction. There definitely needs to be something done about the lag experienced, but at least we know the "crash server" strategy for avoiding a defeat is gone (or at least harder to pull off)


If thats the case, underhanded tactic of crashing node, then rus/cfc can go jump off a cliff. This would not suprise me for cfc, being the worthless bunch they are, but Rus enjoy fights,they arn't so different from N3/PL, or have they been influenced that much by cfc/rus propaganda that they don't know the difference between their left and right any more o.O
Varest
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-01-20 02:33:44 UTC
Let's make this really simple and you can argue about it with yourselves if you deem it necessary....

It was you who jumped in aaaaaaaaaallll those Domi's to kill the Cyno Inhibitors and lagged the node, good job. Then, after creating Soul Crushing Lag, you tried to jump in aaaaaaaallll those Dreads and now ***** that you lost them without being able to fire a shot. How long have you been playing this game? How well do you know the game mechanics? Obviously you ignored the little red flag that went up when your domi's were reporting such horrible lag to you before jumping the Dreads in. Sorry about that. Just die with grace and honor. Stop proving to the rest of us that you're highschoolers with no life.
nonamed kaldYr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2014-01-20 03:43:25 UTC
Официально заявляю, что на всех моих аккаунтах подписка приостановлена.
ЦЦП! Чините свой лагодром.
Kuosu
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-01-20 03:48:58 UTC
I firmly believe: if the entirety of CFC was to deactivate and biomass the rest of the EVE universe would undoubtedly benefit and grow.

Please by all means don't hesitate.

I hope, based solely upon principle, rus rus pushes your **** in and out and in and out and in and out and in and out

She's playin' all night
And the music's all Right
Rus Rus got a squeeze box
MItten's will never sleep at night!

QproQ
Monolithic Juggernaut
#47 - 2014-01-20 04:00:50 UTC
10+ years of laggy fleet fights. 10+ years of whining on the forums. 10+ years of idle threats.

If you asked any Eve player with a modicum of sense what would happen when 4000 people entered a system, they would've told you what was going to happen.

You did it anyway.

And *GASP* their was epic TIDI and lag.

I mean, really?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2014-01-20 04:06:44 UTC
The way the game mechanics are set up it doesn't make sense not to do it.
It's not our fault the tactic that works also happens to crash the node or result in problems like this.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
#49 - 2014-01-20 04:14:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Diamond Zerg
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Why should people in Highsec/Losec give two fucks about Nullsec?


Oh wait, we don't!



Because nullsec is what drives a lot of PVP game development.
Hi.
Baron vonSteubing
Another War
#50 - 2014-01-20 04:26:21 UTC
+5. Dear CCP, stop doing stupid mobile structures and start to work with important things!!!
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#51 - 2014-01-20 04:30:11 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Can I have your stuff?

As a serious note, the lag you get from 3k pilots in a system is a physical hardware limitation issue which is extremely difficult and expensive to overcome. IT isnt CCP's fault that NS people are a bunch of cap sitting blobbers who have long forgotten what a fun fight looks like.

These kinds of fights happen relatively infrequently and most individual line members see one once a month. In between there are plenty of "fun fights".

Your statement could likewise apply to temp bluing half of W-space for an eviction and rage rolling for weeks to seed 50 dreads. Them dirty blobbers.

It's not our fault CCP maintains a system that makes us call all friends and all-in every fight when we squabble over space farms.
Hell Ball
Doomheim
#52 - 2014-01-20 04:32:06 UTC
Silent Nightingale wrote:
Dear CCP,


Eve Online is a game which is а MMORPG, the main advantage of which is declared to be the chance of taking part in large-scale battles with thousands of ships fighting in one system. Not long ago there was a battle in HED-GP and lots of pilots have prepared their ships, looking forward to have much fun that day. That battle was supposed to be a culmination of a long war between the leading claim alliances. But instead of that they had to face terrible lags and infernal TD because of your inability to provide the stable functioning of your servers. Both sides – those who killed and those who lost ships there are highly disappointed with what was going on and what they have got. It was not a fair battle - everything that happened there had nothing to do with game principles and mechanics, and it has no logical explanation.
Moreover, those pilots who had lost expensive ships in lags due to the technical problems on your side haven’t received any reimbursement and it is demonstration of your injustice and total negligence towards common players. You provided reimbursement in similar cases but now you provide us with nothing else but excuses, which is obviously not enough. We asked to fix lags, but you either did nothing or suggested some partial solution which didn’t fix the problem in general. We were patient and we used to put up with it, but it was the last straw that broke the camel’s back.
We are a group of people who cares for this game. A small group, but as soon as this message is posted on all eve-forums in all languages that we speak you will see how many people will be eager to join us. And we want you to start serious work on the technical problems you have now immediately. We want you to inform all the players about the changes and modifications that you are going to introduce in the nearest future to fix the lags and we need to know the time when it they will be embodied.
Besides we demand reimbursement for all the ships killed in that period of time as a result of the system failures. And we want you to provide pilots with new ships or isks if it happens again. If a ship was lost not because of a pilot’s mistake or poor pvp skill, but as a result of a technical problem on your side - it is your fault and you must recompense for it. We spent our time, isks and efforts in game to gain those ships in an honest and lawful way and no one will put up with the fact of losing them because of game defects.
If this message will have no effect on you and you ignore our words as you used to do before in 3 days we will do the following:

1) We will deactivate most of our accounts and stop buying plexes from the official site. Some of us have already got rid of their accounts and is just a beginning - there will be much more and soon. All secondary carebear or cyno accounts that are not really important for us to play the game will be frozen until the matter is settled. We will ask all our friends and accomplices to do the same.

2) We will take our ships to high-sec and send massive fleets to such systems as Amarr, Jita or Dodixie to share all the fascination of TD and lags with those pilots who do not take part in claim wars. We doubt it will make them feel happy and soon they will either leave the game or support our ideas.

3) We will ask talented people, who have played a lot and know this game well to write a number of surveys and to make a number of video clips in different languages showing what the liner side of the game – the td, the lags, the technical imperfection of Eve Online and the proves of your unfair and careless attitude towards common players. These videos and surveys will be posted on every single game forum, under every your commercial to let the new players know what they will really get instead of fun that they see on your trailers. We will let them understand that for you all the players are not more than a source of income and if they face problems you will do nothing but apologize. Bad fame spreads quickly, but it will take years to get rid of it. And most people prefer to trust real gamers not trailers. If they see what really happens in multi-player battles, the “chess-shooter”, the unjust victories covered by developers you can be sure they will give up the idea of playing Eve.

The number of new players will fall, a number of old pilots will leave and it will affect you income and make you pay attention to these problems. We will wait for 3 days to see your first steps and your willingness to start a constructive dialogue with the players’ community. If you start work and make up for the unjust losses we are not going to escalate the conflict. But if not, you will leave us no choice and we can’t see any other way of drawing your attention. We have little to lose now, cause we have lost any interest to play this game.

Dear pilots
If you care for what happens, if you are fed up with the lags, show your solidarity by giving likes to the topic and adding your comments and proposals. If you are ready to help us in any way tell us what you can do. Let the developers see that it is not a couple of whinning pilots but the opinion of the majority. They won’t be able to ignore it. We must do something to get what we deserve – fun and fair play.
Please, repost this text to your game forums and give a link to this topic.

Your tears are so much. I too cyno my 300 dreads on the same grid with *everthing else is* and think nothing will go wrong
Erwingur
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-01-20 04:41:57 UTC
I feel your pain ! I lost a ceptor today and now my efficiency is all messed up..... GOSH !
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#54 - 2014-01-20 04:47:31 UTC
Ramatak wrote:
Ok so let me get this right. N3 used the same tactic in HED that CFC used in 6vdt by getting into system first and the outcome was the same meaning that N3 held the most important tactical advantage. You guys knew the importance of this and now that your enemy used it and whooped you with it. Now you are complaining about it and demanding a refund of all lost Dreads? The only thing I can say is..........WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oops one more thing Can I have your stuff.

Man, I must be getting old or something. I don't remember seeing SOLAR in 6VDT.

As far as I know, the CFC dreads have already been refunded (by the respective alliances). There's a terms of service clause that says anything involving soul crushing lag fights is not reimbursable by CCP. You jump in on your own risk.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2014-01-20 04:54:50 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The way the game mechanics are set up it doesn't make sense not to do it.
It's not our fault the tactic that works also happens to crash the node or result in problems like this.
It's not MY fault the knife is sharp and killed him. I just rammed it right into him!

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Shadow Cartel
#56 - 2014-01-20 05:01:15 UTC
OP - Transfer me a some sov and I'll start to care.

Oh wait... No I won't.




It is funny how the spazos that wont let anyone else even get a start in null sec now expect everyone feel sympathy for them.

Maybe 1/2 the null sec players quitting Eve is exactly what Eve needs.




Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2014-01-20 05:06:36 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
OP - Transfer me a some sov and I'll start to care.
Oh wait... No I won't.
It is funny how the spazos that wont let anyone else even get a start in null sec now expect everyone feel sympathy for them.
Maybe 1/2 the null sec players quitting Eve is exactly what Eve needs.
I'd prefer to have "spazos" (what?) leave the game who believe that individuals stand for the whole alliance ... or even only half of it. Or a quarter.

I bet it's less than 1000 people who actually whine about this.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Shadow Cartel
#58 - 2014-01-20 05:37:52 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
OP - Transfer me a some sov and I'll start to care.
Oh wait... No I won't.
It is funny how the spazos that wont let anyone else even get a start in null sec now expect everyone feel sympathy for them.
Maybe 1/2 the null sec players quitting Eve is exactly what Eve needs.
I'd prefer to have "spazos" (what?) leave the game who believe that individuals stand for the whole alliance ... or even only half of it. Or a quarter.

I bet it's less than 1000 people who actually whine about this.



Spazo = ******.
(What you must feel like having not been able to work it out yourself)


When you post on the eve forums - you represent your corp/alliance.

Not 1% of it.
Not 1/4 of it.
All of it.


Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#59 - 2014-01-20 07:01:17 UTC
Nullsec blobbers are threatening to leave the game?

Oh noez. Who will rage in the forums?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

TigerXtrm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-01-20 07:11:34 UTC
QproQ wrote:
10+ years of laggy fleet fights. 10+ years of whining on the forums. 10+ years of idle threats.

If you asked any Eve player with a modicum of sense what would happen when 4000 people entered a system, they would've told you what was going to happen.

You did it anyway.

And *GASP* their was epic TIDI and lag.

I mean, really?


Huge fight over broken sov system > Massive lag or server crash > Forums are flooded with hate against CCP

Rinse and repeat for every. Single. Blob. Since. 2004.

It's like repeatedly hitting yourself in the face with a hammer for 10 years and complaining that it hurts. Just stop doing it until someone replaces the hammer with something that doesn't hurt, like a kitten.

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