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Appeal to CCP and all players (based on what had happened in HED-GP)

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Anthar Thebess
#121 - 2014-01-20 13:40:44 UTC
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Silent Nightingale
Wing-Holding
SOLAR WING.
#122 - 2014-01-20 13:57:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Silent Nightingale
If it is so difficult to fix lags or CCP can't afford better equipment and programs why don't they make it a part of game? For example, if too many ships enter a system, something bad happens. i don't know.... For example all players receive a warning that the sun will blow up in a minute and if they won't leave all ships will be destroyed. It will be fair and predictable, all parts will be able to use it in their tactics, no blaming each other of cheap methods and lousy victories. It won't take CCP much time to do it while they are looking for a better solution.



если решение проблемы трудно осуществить технически - пусть для начала девелоперы обыграют то, что дано. Пусть невозможность играть в таком случае будет не "приятным сюрпризом", когда все сидят и ждут, то ли нода рухнет, то ли нет, а предсказуемым, просчитываемым заранее и официальным игровым фактом. Чтобы это не использовалось той или иной стороной украдкой, вызывая обвинения в залагивании, а стало частью игры, а дольше дело решать, какую тактику использовать в войне. И не будет срачей из серии "вы выиграли, потому что ссп вам подыгрывает, победа с использованием лагогенераторов...". Все по-честному, на основе игровой механики и с соблюдением принципов игры.
Igor Nappi
Doomheim
#123 - 2014-01-20 13:57:21 UTC
An appeal to all players deactivating their accounts and/or supporting this thread: Contract me your stuff.

Furthermore, I think that links must be removed from the game.

Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#124 - 2014-01-20 14:02:21 UTC
If anyone wants to contract me your stuff, I'll be sure to use them to still put a hurt on your enemies in your absence.

[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)

CroisisCZ
Anoikis Exploration
#125 - 2014-01-20 14:03:44 UTC
Silent Nightingale wrote:
If it is so difficult to fix lags or CCP can't afford better equipment and programs why don't they make it a part of game? For example, if too many ships enter a system, something bad happens. i don't know.... For example all players receive a warning that the sun will blow up in a minute and if they won't leave all ships will be destroyed. It will be fair and predictable, all parts will be able to use it in their tactics, no blaming each other of cheap methods and lousy victories. It won't take CCP much time to do it while they are looking for a better solution.


So you are basically suggesting that with this proposed mechanics you would have jumped 2.5k characters in lets say noobships to a system with PL/N3 super/cap fleet in bubbles and all ships in that system should be destroyed within 1 minute unless they GTFO? Am I getting it right? Lol
EdFromHumanResources
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#126 - 2014-01-20 14:05:25 UTC
Someone point o a single server anywhere on the planet that they think could have handled the magnitude of idiocy the Russians/CFC tried to pull in HED-GG.
Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#127 - 2014-01-20 14:16:00 UTC
Also, the idea of up to half of 0.0 population disappearing would be pretty legitimately best for new eden as it will free up room for even moderate sized entities to carve out some 0.0 for themselves. Instead of a few major blocks and status quo, we'll have a dynamic and more varied 0.0 with loads of separate borders and entities.

Maybe a whole new land rush from empire really is what eve could use.

[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)

Muestereate
Minions LLC
#128 - 2014-01-20 14:18:02 UTC
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gazarsgo
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#129 - 2014-01-20 14:27:28 UTC
Oh these sweet, sweet tears.

Instead of whining with puppy faces at CCP, maybe you should just adapt (or die).

Years ago:
Titans overpowered? Goons: Nerf them.
Supercarriers overpowered? Goons: Nerf them.

A few months ago:
Carriers overpowered? Goons: Nerf them.
Drone assist overpowered? Goons: Nerf them.

Today:
TIDI OVERPOWERED? OMG NERF TIDI

shut up
Gribzor
Redeye Inc.
#130 - 2014-01-20 14:29:30 UTC
CFC now posting with alts?

Lol.
Terri Mk4
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#131 - 2014-01-20 14:33:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Terri Mk4
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Terri Mk4 wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Jita/amarr?
Mission hubs probably will be have bigger effect.
You have my support.

This is not about reimbursement - it is about FIXING issue by CCP.
Thing that happened in HED will be in every station or important system starting from now on.

Capitals and supers are broken - when it comes to current capabilities of EVE servers.
900 n3 capitals and supers that was in HED can be only responded with a bigger fleet - and EVE just proved that it is not ready for this.
CCP have to be aware that this is not some issue that might show up in the future but something that IS happening right now.


this is a good post which almost drowns in the slander and drivel from one specific side.

It gets right at the core of the problem, which is not sov: it’s that once a critical mass of caps/scpas/titans is assembled in one place, the required counter would be too much to crash the server. Therefore such a capital blob is pretty much invincible with the current game performance restraints. Great game design!


Critical mass applies to subcap blobs as well. By cramming 3000 Domis into a system nobody will be able to jump in enough ships to counter them without blackscreening.

Blaming capitals is nonsense, an excuse used by a coalition that won't counter properly. (Cynoing 300 Dreads AT ZERO on 900 capitals after jumping 1000+ subcaps into system is NOT out you counter!)


Yeah 3000 domis right. Only that nobody can amount that number of BS, not even the CFC. Whereas the full N3PL cap fleet easily breaks the critical mass where it can't be countered reasonably. Not even on the super duper jita node. Let alone a normal node.
Mizhir
TOP DAMAGE Ltd.
WE FORM V0LTA
#132 - 2014-01-20 14:34:38 UTC
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

And actually. CCP has done a great job fixing lag. Please show me a game where you can have over 2k players in the same place without the game going WTF BBQ.

CCP is fixing lag, but you fucktards just keep clustering in more pilots until it breaks again.

❤️️💛💚💙💜

Bobbechk
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#133 - 2014-01-20 14:38:54 UTC
Silent Nightingale wrote:
If it is so difficult to fix lags or CCP can't afford better equipment and programs why don't they make it a part of game? For example, if too many ships enter a system, something bad happens. i don't know.... For example all players receive a warning that the sun will blow up in a minute and if they won't leave all ships will be destroyed. It will be fair and predictable, all parts will be able to use it in their tactics, no blaming each other of cheap methods and lousy victories. It won't take CCP much time to do it while they are looking for a better solution.


Or instead of the sun exploading you could have all the new ships entering the system have a malfunction where the pod is left behind and the empty shi...

Oh wait
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#134 - 2014-01-20 15:46:06 UTC
I think everyone agrees that this problem needs fixing but just a few reminders:

1- EVE already has the most advanced gaming hardware on the planet.

2- No other game in history ever saw the number of players interacting together on the same grid.

3- Solutions such as limit the number the players are ignorant at best and moronic at worst. For instance if I had a a certain number of pilots (the max the system can accept) I will literally have the power to defend every system I have regardless of enemy numbers or strategy. Even limits that do not break the game, strategically chocks the meta and greatly reduces the creativity in the sandbox.

There is no simple solution, if there was one it would have been implemented, after all those fights are the bread and butter of EVE. Yes this needs to be fixed so EVE as a game can progress to a new level, but it is already the best at what it does, threatening to unsubscribe and then blow jita up is just being whiny (never thought I'd call a bunch of Russians that, please don't cut my electricity). The expectation you possessed was simply too high, and you are holding this as an excuse for your loss. Just losing those 7 towers without noticing is enough to justify losing the whole system. We all hoped and wished this fight could be more, but to realistically expect more is just wishful thinking.

We are going to withstand losing all of our sov again and again and again without losing 1% of our members, but we are going to quit and whine because laaaag (which was very much expected, and please don't throw that we expected the node to crash bullshit, because that strategy is lame, and thank god it didn't happen).

HTFU (another thing I never imagined saying to a bunch of russians).
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#135 - 2014-01-20 15:48:33 UTC
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