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Appeal to CCP and all players (based on what had happened in HED-GP)

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Coby Ascent
The First Foundation
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#61 - 2014-01-20 07:18:17 UTC
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Topic starter is right.
Fr3akwave
The Pannion Domin
Ghostbirds
#62 - 2014-01-20 07:38:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Fr3akwave
For reimbursement requests go to customer service, posting them on the forum wont work

About that lag, do you seriously believe that this is an issue that can be fixed within a week or 2? A complete rewriting of the games back-end server software? This is an issue that will take literally _years_ to fix, and then we will be back to randomly crashing servers for a while. My guess is that CCP is on it for quite a while now, but still far from done.

"Fix lag within 3 days or we will quit!" - lol - Can i has you stuff?
Anthar Thebess
#63 - 2014-01-20 07:42:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthar Thebess
Jita/amarr?
Mission hubs probably will be have bigger effect.
You have my support.

This is not about reimbursement - it is about FIXING issue by CCP.
Thing that happened in HED will be in every station or important system starting from now on.

Capitals and supers are broken - when it comes to current capabilities of EVE servers.
900 n3 capitals and supers that was in HED can be only responded with a bigger fleet - and EVE just proved that it is not ready for this.
CCP have to be aware that this is not some issue that might show up in the future but something that IS happening right now.
inuminguart
Techno Hive
Valkyrie Alliance
#64 - 2014-01-20 07:44:27 UTC
+ need do something
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#65 - 2014-01-20 07:46:52 UTC
Wow. You may succeed in getting your ships replaced OP, but I've never seen a better case made for CCP to eliminate blob warfare entirely than this angry essay. EVE's hardware is incapable of allowing 4000 characters to engage on a single node. And also, comeon, as a business, those guys can't be held hostage to player demands (your word) under the threat of mass unsubs and blatant extortion every time things don't turn out as planned. These threats are becoming too commonplace. It's not like CCP wanted this to happen or for you to be unhappy.

I certainly wish you guys all the best no matter what happens, but as I've never written this before, and may never do so again past this moment: if some of you do decide to rage quit, could I perchance maybe acquire a few of your belongings? You see, I'm easily amused and thus have no plans to quit myself, but perhaps with the influx of massive fortunes, the process of my growing jaded and bitter could be rapidly accelerated. Just a thought.

Thanks in advance.

YK
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#66 - 2014-01-20 07:54:19 UTC
These types of threads irk me quite a bit when they place all the blame on CCP. Try relying on actual skills and knowledge instead of blobbing in fleets of 1000's on each side, where the person with more wins. It's partly the player's fault too. You can work together and agree on smaller fights, but you refuse to.

Nothing is going to change until the players want to change too. Even if they find some magical solution to allow battles of 5000 on each side, people will try to bring 7500 on each side, then whine about lag. Stop going to battle with so many on both sides. Grow some balls and stop whining about it. Sheesh.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
Brave Collective
#67 - 2014-01-20 07:57:24 UTC
Silent Nightingale wrote:
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2) We will take our ships to high-sec and send massive fleets to such systems as Amarr, Jita or Dodixie to share all the fascination of TD and lags with those pilots who do not take part in claim wars. We doubt it will make them feel happy and soon they will either leave the game or support our ideas.....



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Prince Kobol
#68 - 2014-01-20 08:00:36 UTC
Node lagged hard when we tried to bridge 700 dreads in a system with 2700 other guys at once on grid with 1000's of other ships.


Well bugger me with a fish fork, I am surprised this happen, I mean who else would of expected the node to lag hard doing this, its not like the node was lagging at the time or that there is any history of nodes lagging when trying to bridge in that many people at once.
trade bot
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#69 - 2014-01-20 08:08:50 UTC
FIX THE GAME!
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#70 - 2014-01-20 08:11:06 UTC
Well that's sort of the point, isn't it? If the nodes could handle 3000 players unannounced without any tidi, then folks can still show up with 4000 and deploy drones. Boom. At some point, you've got to do a cost/benefit analysis (which I'm sure they've done) and determine if the best course of action is to continue to promise fights that you cannot deliver (while bleeding angry vets) or alter the sandbox in such a way that the best fights possible within the technical limitations are feasable while continually expanding on those limits as finances and technology allows. It's anti-sandbox heresy, and I don't like it either, but all I'm saying is that if it isn't possible to improve the technology now, then you've probably got to start identifying other ways to improve the player experience.

imo.

YK
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2014-01-20 08:19:54 UTC
Silent Nightingale wrote:
Dear CCP,


Eve Online is a game which is а MMORPG, the main advantage of which is declared to be the chance of taking part in large-scale battles with thousands of ships fighting in one system. Not long ago there was a battle in HED-GP and lots of pilots have prepared their ships, looking forward to have much fun that day. That battle was supposed to be a culmination of a long war between the leading claim alliances. But instead of that they had to face terrible lags and infernal TD because of your inability to provide the stable functioning of your servers. Both sides – those who killed and those who lost ships there are highly disappointed with what was going on and what they have got. It was not a fair battle - everything that happened there had nothing to do with game principles and mechanics, and it has no logical explanation.
Moreover, those pilots who had lost expensive ships in lags due to the technical problems on your side haven’t received any reimbursement and it is demonstration of your injustice and total negligence towards common players. You provided reimbursement in similar cases but now you provide us with nothing else but excuses, which is obviously not enough. We asked to fix lags, but you either did nothing or suggested some partial solution which didn’t fix the problem in general. We were patient and we used to put up with it, but it was the last straw that broke the camel’s back.
We are a group of people who cares for this game. A small group, but as soon as this message is posted on all eve-forums in all languages that we speak you will see how many people will be eager to join us. And we want you to start serious work on the technical problems you have now immediately. We want you to inform all the players about the changes and modifications that you are going to introduce in the nearest future to fix the lags and we need to know the time when it they will be embodied.
Besides we demand reimbursement for all the ships killed in that period of time as a result of the system failures. And we want you to provide pilots with new ships or isks if it happens again. If a ship was lost not because of a pilot’s mistake or poor pvp skill, but as a result of a technical problem on your side - it is your fault and you must recompense for it. We spent our time, isks and efforts in game to gain those ships in an honest and lawful way and no one will put up with the fact of losing them because of game defects.
If this message will have no effect on you and you ignore our words as you used to do before in 3 days we will do the following:

1) We will deactivate most of our accounts and stop buying plexes from the official site. Some of us have already got rid of their accounts and is just a beginning - there will be much more and soon. All secondary carebear or cyno accounts that are not really important for us to play the game will be frozen until the matter is settled. We will ask all our friends and accomplices to do the same.

2) We will take our ships to high-sec and send massive fleets to such systems as Amarr, Jita or Dodixie to share all the fascination of TD and lags with those pilots who do not take part in claim wars. We doubt it will make them feel happy and soon they will either leave the game or support our ideas.

3) We will ask talented people, who have played a lot and know this game well to write a number of surveys and to make a number of video clips in different languages showing what the liner side of the game – the td, the lags, the technical imperfection of Eve Online and the proves of your unfair and careless attitude towards common players. These videos and surveys will be posted on every single game forum, under every your commercial to let the new players know what they will really get instead of fun that they see on your trailers. We will let them understand that for you all the players are not more than a source of income and if they face problems you will do nothing but apologize. Bad fame spreads quickly, but it will take years to get rid of it. And most people prefer to trust real gamers not trailers. If they see what really happens in multi-player battles, the “chess-shooter”, the unjust victories covered by developers you can be sure they will give up the idea of playing Eve.

The number of new players will fall, a number of old pilots will leave and it will affect you income and make you pay attention to these problems. We will wait for 3 days to see your first steps and your willingness to start a constructive dialogue with the players’ community. If you start work and make up for the unjust losses we are not going to escalate the conflict. But if not, you will leave us no choice and we can’t see any other way of drawing your attention. We have little to lose now, cause we have lost any interest to play this game.

Dear pilots
If you care for what happens, if you are fed up with the lags, show your solidarity by giving likes to the topic and adding your comments and proposals. If you are ready to help us in any way tell us what you can do. Let the developers see that it is not a couple of whinning pilots but the opinion of the majority. They won’t be able to ignore it. We must do something to get what we deserve – fun and fair play.
Please, repost this text to your game forums and give a link to this topic.

go ahead and cram the trade hubs, enjoy the bans.

going to the trade hubs without the intent of actually trading, but instead the INTENTION of causing TiDi for nothing other than the inconvenience of CCP and the other players, is very close to being an EULA violation, as its exploiting a game mechanic outside its intended purpose, with malicious intent.
Findail
Quid Plorus
#72 - 2014-01-20 08:24:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Findail
I don't think anybody expected a lag free fight...

We've all been in battles where we've ended up with 1 frame / 30 seconds before. Annoying, but bearable if it means a good fight.

There was really no question about not turning up for this one. It promised to be an epic capital fight, probably the largest in the history of EVE. CCP had reinforced the node, there was a large capital and super fleet already there - everybody wanted a good fight.

I think that most of us were expecting the usual wait of a few minutes for grid to load - not a big deal - annoying, but for a fight like this you can put up with it. Instead, people waited over an hour then finally died without ever having the grid load.
THAT is what has really annoyed people. Being ready and willing for a decent fight, (and lets face it, this had all the makings of being an epic battle), only to be thwarted by the server side.

TiDi really doesn't seem to be the answer. Maybe CCP needs to cap systems at 1 fleet per side until a long term solution can be found. I really hope they can come up with something that will let us have some of these big battles - pretty sure the majority of us went for the fight, not the sov - not every day you get the opportunity to be in a battle that size
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2014-01-20 08:27:02 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
go ahead and cram the trade hubs, enjoy the bans.

going to the trade hubs without the intent of actually trading, but instead the INTENTION of causing TiDi for nothing other than the inconvenience of CCP and the other players, is very close to being an EULA violation, as its exploiting a game mechanic outside its intended purpose, with malicious intent.

Maybe we'd be going there to trade, or to shoot up your ships on the undock.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Sejuani
The First Foundation
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#74 - 2014-01-20 08:27:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Sejuani
Деар ГМ анд ко.
Ю сей, иф ай юз центри дронс он трейд хабс фор креат лагс энд у вил би банед ми фор юзед фор адвантаж анд среат лагс ин ТД.

плиз чек н3пл, зей юз абут 400 кароф. итс эбают 400х9=3600 ценрти доронов. бат он зе филд эбаут 15000 ценрти дроноф неар каросфера. зей спешиали аббадонед дронес фор адвантаж анд среат лагс ин ТД. вай а ю нот то бан зем?
Almethea
Trans Stellar Express
#75 - 2014-01-20 08:29:13 UTC
russian tears, better than vodka!

there's so many thing to fix in eve.... and they fix forum ! GJ! but ok i like it !

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Ryder 'ook
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#76 - 2014-01-20 08:31:58 UTC
Did I read that right? - We're progressing from whine to blackmail???

This is fantastic! Please continue.


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Perkone
Caldari State
#77 - 2014-01-20 09:04:58 UTC
Sejuani wrote:
Деар ГМ анд ко.
Ю сей, иф ай юз центри дронс он трейд хабс фор креат лагс энд у вил би банед ми фор юзед фор адвантаж анд среат лагс ин ТД.

плиз чек н3пл, зей юз абут 400 кароф. итс эбают 400х9=3600 ценрти доронов. бат он зе филд эбаут 15000 ценрти дроноф неар каросфера. зей спешиали аббадонед дронес фор адвантаж анд среат лагс ин ТД. вай а ю нот то бан зем?


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tigara 52
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2014-01-20 09:09:47 UTC
Revolution! when the corn go? going on all 5 accounts!
Brad Vedal
Solar Guards.
SOLAR FLEET
#79 - 2014-01-20 09:12:00 UTC
+3 account Ж)
Blood Viper Johnson
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2014-01-20 09:15:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Blood Viper Johnson
Silent Nightingale
hah she was kicked from sf after posting this thread)thats funny
Im not gonna stop playing game anyway cuz im not living in claim regions))