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[Odyssey Feedback Request] Team Super Friends - Probe Scanning and You

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Maggeridon Thoraz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1141 - 2013-05-18 18:58:11 UTC
Space Wanderer wrote:


However Maggeridon, I am not sure where you get that 200 scan str. With 3 rangefinding modules (I assume you meant that, not the pinpointing modules, which do not affect scan str) and a covop, fully skilled, with also rigs in addition to 3 modules and sisters core probes I get at 160.


Well I checked with my scanning toon max skilled in a covert scanning tengu and 3 t2 mods for scanstrength. I had sisters pcore probes and sisters launcher. With the the old scanning mech and lg virtue implanst i think i get something around 188 scanstrength . and i think with the same ship and 3 mods it was something around 220. but i will check tomorrow when i am back from work and let you know exact data and fits.

Cirillith
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1142 - 2013-05-18 22:14:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Cirillith
Hmm - don't know if someone already discovered that but it seems some changes were made on SISI in DED complexes and ship allowance list. HI-sec DED complexes (3/10 4/10) no longer allow T3 cruisers for example...

Quote:
Thank you for your bugreport titled: DED ship size problem

The problem you have described is an intended game feature or function, and not a bug.


Just info for all those DED fans :D
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1143 - 2013-05-18 22:37:12 UTC
Cirillith wrote:
Hmm - don't know if someone already discovered that but it seems some changes were made on SISI in DED complexes and ship allowance list. HI-sec DED complexes (3/10 4/10) no longer allow T3 cruisers for example...


I hope this is true, that would be a very nice change.
Maggeridon Thoraz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1144 - 2013-05-18 22:57:12 UTC
Cirillith wrote:
Hmm - don't know if someone already discovered that but it seems some changes were made on SISI in DED complexes and ship allowance list. HI-sec DED complexes (3/10 4/10) no longer allow T3 cruisers for example...

Quote:
Thank you for your bugreport titled: DED ship size problem

The problem you have described is an intended game feature or function, and not a bug.


Just info for all those DED fans :D



well this is another kick in the butt to the people who specialized in hisec exploring.
Space Wanderer
#1145 - 2013-05-18 23:31:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Space Wanderer
Maggeridon Thoraz wrote:
With the the old scanning mech and lg virtue implanst i think i get something around 188 scanstrength . and i think with the same ship and 3 mods it was something around 220. but i will check tomorrow when i am back from work and let you know exact data and fits.


No need, if your char has also the lg virtue I am not surprised at all. I thought you were talking about a non-implanted character. I should definitely train Reading to lvl 5....
Sylvia Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#1146 - 2013-05-18 23:42:40 UTC
Cirillith wrote:
Hmm - don't know if someone already discovered that but it seems some changes were made on SISI in DED complexes and ship allowance list. HI-sec DED complexes (3/10 4/10) no longer allow T3 cruisers for example...

Quote:
Thank you for your bugreport titled: DED ship size problem

The problem you have described is an intended game feature or function, and not a bug.


Just info for all those DED fans :D


Are you sure it applies to ded 4's too? That would be really silly since second room in serpentis one requires both decent dps and tank.
Cirillith
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1147 - 2013-05-18 23:58:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Cirillith
Sylvia Nardieu wrote:
Cirillith wrote:
Hmm - don't know if someone already discovered that but it seems some changes were made on SISI in DED complexes and ship allowance list. HI-sec DED complexes (3/10 4/10) no longer allow T3 cruisers for example...

Quote:
Thank you for your bugreport titled: DED ship size problem

The problem you have described is an intended game feature or function, and not a bug.


Just info for all those DED fans :D


Are you sure it applies to ded 4's too? That would be really silly since second room in serpentis one requires both decent dps and tank.

Yes - we tested this on SISI today with Guristas 3/10 and 4/10, and my quotation is CCP answer to bugreport.

In both cases we were unable to enter DED. On the other hand ORCAs were able to go inside (lol :D).

It seems in this way CCP tries to promote "team" play style because with T3 cruiser you were able to scann down site and do it right after or during scanning (did that many times during WH look in HI or on my HI-sec alt) - so it was solo play style.
Tsubutai
Perkone
Caldari State
#1148 - 2013-05-19 00:20:14 UTC
Cirillith wrote:
Hmm - don't know if someone already discovered that but it seems some changes were made on SISI in DED complexes and ship allowance list. HI-sec DED complexes (3/10 4/10) no longer allow T3 cruisers for example...

Quote:
Thank you for your bugreport titled: DED ship size problem

The problem you have described is an intended game feature or function, and not a bug.


Just info for all those DED fans :D

Is true for all 4/10s, including those in lowsec, or does the change only apply in highsec?
Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
Together We Solo
#1149 - 2013-05-19 00:24:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Manssell
Cirillith wrote:
Sylvia Nardieu wrote:
Cirillith wrote:
Hmm - don't know if someone already discovered that but it seems some changes were made on SISI in DED complexes and ship allowance list. HI-sec DED complexes (3/10 4/10) no longer allow T3 cruisers for example...

Quote:
Thank you for your bugreport titled: DED ship size problem

The problem you have described is an intended game feature or function, and not a bug.


Just info for all those DED fans :D


Are you sure it applies to ded 4's too? That would be really silly since second room in serpentis one requires both decent dps and tank.

Yes - we tested this on SISI today with Guristas 3/10 and 4/10, and my quotation is CCP answer to bugreport.

In both cases we were unable to enter DED. On the other hand ORCAs were able to go inside (lol :D).

It seems in this way CCP tries to promote "team" play style because with T3 cruiser you were able to scann down site and do it right after or during scanning (did that many times during WH look in HI or on my HI-sec alt) - so it was solo play style.


If this is true, it's really starting to #$!%% me off. CCP this entire expansion seems to be designed to make the life of the solo explorers more difficult. I guess the nods to solo play during fanfest was all just a bunch of bull and cover.

What really bugs me is that this drive to force team play is actually the most unsandboxy thing CCP has done since I've been playing the game. If someone can run a site solo, the so be it. Why is it CCP now thinks that they should be dictating through arbitrary game mechanics like ship restrictions how a player must do PVE and with whom?
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#1150 - 2013-05-19 01:10:06 UTC
Manssell wrote:


What really bugs me is that this drive to force team play is actually the most unsandboxy thing CCP has done since I've been playing the game. If someone can run a site solo, the so be it. Why is it CCP now thinks that they should be dictating through arbitrary game mechanics like ship restrictions how a player must do PVE and with whom?


Don't you know. CCP wants to change Eve to:
LF2M 4/10 DED, need logi and tank. Convo for fleet invite!

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Sir John Halsey
#1151 - 2013-05-19 01:14:43 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Manssell wrote:


What really bugs me is that this drive to force team play is actually the most unsandboxy thing CCP has done since I've been playing the game. If someone can run a site solo, the so be it. Why is it CCP now thinks that they should be dictating through arbitrary game mechanics like ship restrictions how a player must do PVE and with whom?


Don't you know. CCP wants to change Eve to:
LF2M 4/10 DED, need logi and tank. Convo for fleet invite!



Well, a HAC or a pirate cruiser can put some nice DPS.
And i'm pretty sure the sigs can be easily scanned without any issues in Odyssey.

I do HS exploration in Tengu but only because i have to compete with other Tengus :P
And, 3/10 can be done with an AF very easy.
Roime
Shiva Furnace
#1152 - 2013-05-19 01:23:37 UTC
4/10s are T1 cruiser sites, so this change very welcome indeed. It's EVE telling you to leave hisec sites for the new players they were designed for.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#1153 - 2013-05-19 01:38:48 UTC
Roime wrote:
4/10s are T1 cruiser sites, so this change very welcome indeed. It's EVE telling you to leave hisec sites for the new players they were designed for.

i would really like to see a new player in a t1 cruiser do the serpentis 4/10. in fact, i would probably sacrifice a covops just to warp scramble him as soon as he has room aggro.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Tsubutai
Perkone
Caldari State
#1154 - 2013-05-19 01:41:14 UTC
Roime wrote:
4/10s are T1 cruiser sites, so this change very welcome indeed. It's EVE telling you to leave hisec sites for the new players they were designed for.

That may be the intended message, but the actual message is "switch to a HAC/BC/pirate faction cruiser and keep on farming." The problem isn't the sites being accessible to T3s, it's the availability of easily farmed sites with drops of 500m+ in highsec. As long as the sites exist in their current form, they'll be farmed heavily by older/more experienced players. The removal of T3s just means that people who previously lost to tengus will instead lose to Cerberuses or Sleipnirs or whatever.
Fehz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1155 - 2013-05-19 01:47:41 UTC
Can't seem to find any mention of this, but the way probes automatically return when jumping into a new system isn't working when going to wormholes. It still gives the old prompt to warn you about leaving them behind.
Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
Together We Solo
#1156 - 2013-05-19 02:01:36 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Roime wrote:
4/10s are T1 cruiser sites, so this change very welcome indeed. It's EVE telling you to leave hisec sites for the new players they were designed for.

i would really like to see a new player in a t1 cruiser do the serpentis 4/10. in fact, i would probably sacrifice a covops just to warp scramble him as soon as he has room aggro.


I've sat cloaked watching newer players try to run the Angle 4/10 in BCs and fail regularly, so a T1 newer player in a T1 cruiser seems really to be stretching. As Tsubutal says it'll just be older players in HACs and pirate faction.
Maggeridon Thoraz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1157 - 2013-05-19 02:09:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Maggeridon Thoraz
the only thing I foresee with all changes coming up, ii taht all will be more expensive. ice will go up, bs hulls be more expensive. carrier and the rigging will become more expensive. ded loot will go up in prices. and so on...
Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
Together We Solo
#1158 - 2013-05-19 02:13:54 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:


Don't you know. CCP wants to change Eve to:
LF2M 4/10 DED, need logi and tank. Convo for fleet invite!


Yea, I know this is a joke (and a good one at that) but that's also kinda bugging me (if true). This whole exploration expansion seems to be falling down since rather than just changing content that's already there, why not oh I don't know… add new content? If CCP wants to force players into group play why not add some new sites that are like mini Incursions that need to be scanned down. They could scale them so that the rewards are such that it would't be worth it for older players to fleet up, but a bunch of newer players would love to.

I don't know, it just feels like they are removing and mucking up current content, screwing with older and solo players, while really adding nothing but a clickfest mini game wrapped in a bow and calling it "new".
Maggeridon Thoraz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1159 - 2013-05-19 02:16:28 UTC
Manssell wrote:


I don't know, it just feels like they are removing and mucking up current content, screwing with older and solo players, while really adding nothing but a clickfest mini game wrapped in a bow and calling it "new".



that reminds me a bit of the introduction of PI. was that allways a clickfest. luckily they made it after a while bit less of clicking.
Johan Toralen
IIIJIIIITIIII
#1160 - 2013-05-19 02:26:45 UTC
Probably a result of people constantly moaning about Tengus farming the sites and "stealing" them.
But as some have pointed out it's not really gonna change anything. I can run 4/10 just fine in a Gila and so can many others in this or similar ships.
The big issue is that sites with such valuable loot can be farmed in hisec in the first place and that CCP does nothing to promote incentives to go to low/null instead. As i've written today in one of the other threads it's seriously off that you can farm billions with almost no risk in hisec but the new profession sites only give crap loot even in null sec while you actualy risk your ship and pod.