Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Or maybe he is and he is just not taking the bait.

See that is the thing, AFK cloaking injects uncertainty into the game. Is he there...is he not there. Is he a threat or not? It is not so easy to quantify. You have to work at it. Working as it should, IMO.

Think in the end it's just a matter of opinion ..

some consider it bullshit for a AFK player to have any impact on the game others disagree.

I think we pretty much discussed everthing there can be when it comes to this topic or the 400+ pages one

Guess we will have to wait and see who CCP agree's with and how or if they are going to balance this thing out.

Players not logged in have an impact on the game. Players using autopilot (often AFK) can have an impact on the game. And these are by design.

Mmmm I would debate sandbox game as I have played many of those. I'm pretty sure AFK Camping is not a design that CCP was going for. Cloaky active camping (totally different) and surely acceptable.
It is not game play when someone logs on and leaves all day a character logged in and is not actually behind the keyboard active. The motive behind that (AFK Camping) is griefing. Point in case. There is no other reason to do it. By balancing out this, it keeps active cloak alert and active, but also deals with the griefing. I'm all for hot drops, sneaking up, cloaking, and like active events. But not for people intentionally griefing.

Cloak works as intended and needs no fixing. AFK cloaking is non issue. Don't really know why people get so butthurt over this.

I tire of people like you, people that are so desperate to prove a point that you will twist the words of others to suit your agenda. The record as witnessed by this thread will prove that I never said I was reading this AND playing EvE and that is good enough for me.
However since you have now proven that you are at the point where you are willing to purposely twist others words I am done with this discussion and as my parting words I leave these things.

Auto log off timers are idiotic and should be removed from ALL computer games.

If I want to spend my money to pay for a game I should be able to sit and do NOTHING if that is what I choose to do.

If my sitting logged into a game doing nothing bothers or offends you that is your problem not mine or the game companies.

The very nature of EvE as a single thread, persistent simulation of what our futures might hold would be harmed irreparably with the addition of auto log off timers and I for one hope that CCP continues to resist call from people like you to add them.

As others have stated because of the free intel local offers (knowing who is in system with you) and AFK cloaking is the only partial counter we have to that free intel then AFK cloaking needs to stay in the game. See next please they are related.

Auto log off timers would remove about 90% of the effectiveness of cloaky camping, and given that cloaky camping is the only counter we have to the free intel offered by local auto log off timers would be a really bad thing for EvE.

And last.
The mental anguish, stess and hassles that AFK cloaky campers cause to pampered and entitled nul sec players like you OP are perhaps the very best reason to leave the out of the game.

Another 400 page thread in the making and nothing even remotely new to say. We don't need two of these for devs to ignore.
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Unless you are cloaking, apparently

Again, unless you are cloaking.

Only the sacred cloak is allowed to provide endless safety in Nullsec. All worship the sacred cloak, and let no carebear infringe upon it's holy mandate.

Or in a station.



Non-sequitur much?

I disgaree its griefing to an extent. the issue isnt having an afk cloaker per say, the issue is not being able to do a single thing about it. A person can be cloaked in a system for weeks and weeks

He isnt the problem as such, but the fact is the metagame, the psychological effect, the what if scenario.

In a covert he can be warping about unseen
He will hard to pin down via probes, because he can always move and cloak in a new spot in the system
being able to have a cyno, that can jump in 50 caps or sub caps instantly is the problem

You cant expect people to live with that, youre never going to undock anything because of the above points. You cant expect people to have a cap fleet on stand by 24/7 365 days its just stupid to think that and even expect it.

Also if you have a standby fleet then theres prob spy intel knowing what you have, so it can be easily countered, or your 5 man gang is puny enough anyway for 50 ships to jump through. This the problem regarding afk cloaking. The entire thing is completely and utterley one side because you will never know whats coming.

ive seen people just move out of systems because of it, because they just want to get on and play the game esp when someone is just cloaked 24/7 without any consequence. A ship in reality probably would not be able to cloak for so long, that would have some serious effect on the ship.

and maybe another suggestion is that when a cloak is activated, it goes into overheat mode and eventually burns out and needs repairing via nanite paste, and you cannot move during that time, because people can just keep warping around the system until it does.