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The Shadow of Serpentis event, miscommunication and autism apparently.

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Harmonic Balance
Stormy Underpants
#161 - 2016-08-22 06:43:19 UTC
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
Harmonic Balance wrote:
Discordia Duenna wrote:
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
Stuff.


We were all aware it would hit the lp store, just not before we actually got our prizes, some people pay more for being 1st. That's supply and demand.





And this asshat (Discordia) wanted 165 Billion for his bpc and tried to make my seller think twice about my offer.

Exclusive shiny thing is exclusive.

If you don't like that price, see if you can get the other four in a bidding war.



Already had one lined up for less, and she tried to torpedo it.
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#162 - 2016-08-22 06:56:17 UTC
Discordia Duenna wrote:
Salty.


Drama queen. I was just saying that IF you are an actual veteran, IF you actually follow anything happening in this game, none of this should be a surprise to you.
Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#163 - 2016-08-22 11:03:21 UTC
Harmonic Balance wrote:
Discordia Duenna wrote:
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
Stuff.


We were all aware it would hit the lp store, just not before we actually got our prizes, some people pay more for being 1st. That's supply and demand.





And this asshat (Discordia) wanted 165 Billion for his bpc and tried to make my seller think twice about my offer.


:) Shall I post who you are, forum alt?
Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#164 - 2016-08-22 11:05:00 UTC
Harmonic Balance wrote:
stuff .


Maybe it's my turn to say things like "Welcome to EvE".
Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#165 - 2016-08-22 11:14:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Discordia Duenna
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:


If you don't like that price, see if you can get the other four in a bidding war.


Indeed. My spreadsheets tell me what the bpc is worth, calculated on normal expected revenues doing other activities and the labour time of others. This wasn't a chance based drop, it is a calculable known figure + exclusivity price. This dude is just like the people that complain fuel costs are too high in low sec stations, when I don't see anyone else shipping it there.

If you can get someone to sell it to you below what it's worth, then go for it.

In 2011 PLEX was worth 400 mill ish. Rev bpc cost 40-100 bill

In 2012 PLEX was worth 500 mill ish, Rev bpc were selling for 170-200 bill +

It's 2016 PLEX is worth 1 billion isk, adjusted for inflation, 165 bill is a reasonable price.
Harmonic Balance
Stormy Underpants
#166 - 2016-08-22 17:42:27 UTC
LOL! who I am? Just proves my point your an asshat. Internet spaceship toughguys for the win!
Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#167 - 2016-08-22 22:45:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Discordia Duenna
Harmonic Balance wrote:
LOL! who I am? Just proves my point your an asshat. Internet spaceship toughguys for the win!


Repentance is your name. An eidetic memory and chatlogs make for a dangerous combo. This is your forum toon, you've never posted with the character in question. You use this character Harmonic Balance to sell supercarriers.

zKillboard suggests you are snuggly and hide in the herd of a gang...tough guy, 33% combat efficiency, real tough guy.

I don't try to be an internet tough guy, that would be playing silly games now wouldn't it, like calling people asshats because you can't get what you want :)
Harmonic Balance
Stormy Underpants
#168 - 2016-08-22 23:00:43 UTC
Discordia Duenna wrote:
Harmonic Balance wrote:
LOL! who I am? Just proves my point your an asshat. Internet spaceship toughguys for the win!


Repentance is your name. An eidetic memory and chatlogs make for a dangerous combo. My research suggests this is your forum toon, you've never posted with the character in question. You use this character Harmonic Balance to sell supercarriers.

zKillboard suggests you are snuggly and hide in the herd of a gang...tough guy, 33% combat efficiency, real tough guy.

I don't try to be an internet tough guy, that would be playing silly games now wouldn't it, like calling people asshats because you can't get what you want :)



Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! Even if I were that same person what does that have to do with anything? You think I would be afraid of you telling me that? LMAO. Oh, no, you struck me so deep, whatever will I do? LMAO. And you bring killboards into it? HAHAHAHAHAH. Your a funny dude. Like I said internet spaceship toughguys for the win. lol Judging by your kill record, which is not much better than the poor sap you linked on here. I only have to worry if i'm a disabled pos structure, or miner. Oh last thing, you call me snugly, and you spent how long ratting and carebearing for this bpc? to funny. Thank you, you literally made my day full of laughter.
Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#169 - 2016-08-22 23:04:25 UTC
Harmonic Balance wrote:
Discordia Duenna wrote:
Harmonic Balance wrote:
LOL! who I am? Just proves my point your an asshat. Internet spaceship toughguys for the win!


Repentance is your name. An eidetic memory and chatlogs make for a dangerous combo. My research suggests this is your forum toon, you've never posted with the character in question. You use this character Harmonic Balance to sell supercarriers.

zKillboard suggests you are snuggly and hide in the herd of a gang...tough guy, 33% combat efficiency, real tough guy.

I don't try to be an internet tough guy, that would be playing silly games now wouldn't it, like calling people asshats because you can't get what you want :)



Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! Even if I were that same person what does that have to do with anything? You think I would be afraid of you telling me that? LMAO. Oh, no, you struck me so deep, whatever will I do? LMAO. And you bring killboards into it? HAHAHAHAHAH. Your a funny dude. Like I said internet spaceship toughguys for the win. lol Judging by your kill record, which is not much better than the poor sap you linked on here. I only have to worry if i'm a disabled pos structure, or miner. Oh last thing, you call me snugly, and you spent how long ratting and carebearing for this bpc? to funny. Thank you, you literally made my day full of laughter.



You asked me who you were... I replied. That is all. My killboard isnt API linked :) Neither are many many many other peoples. Why would I hand out free intel like that lol?

It is the same person, no "even if i were that same person" about it. I'm not an internet tough guy, I am someone on the internet though.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#170 - 2016-08-22 23:06:24 UTC
Harmonic Balance wrote:
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! Even if I were that same person what does that have to do with anything? You think I would be afraid of you telling me that? LMAO. Oh, no, you struck me so deep, whatever will I do? LMAO. And you bring killboards into it? HAHAHAHAHAH. Your a funny dude. Like I said internet spaceship toughguys for the win. lol Judging by your kill record, which is not much better than the poor sap you linked on here. I only have to worry if i'm a disabled pos structure, or miner. Oh last thing, you call me snugly, and you spent how long ratting and carebearing for this bpc? to funny. Thank you, you literally made my day full of laughter.

OK...you are just trying *way* too hard now...

Deep Breaths...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#171 - 2016-08-24 10:48:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Hendrick Tallardar
Discordia Duenna wrote:


You are from PL, you've been through this process as a group a good few times and anyone of you with knowledge of this process could have halted this in it's tracks by sharing the reward process. Many of us have not.


Being in PL doesn't give me exclusivity on the ability to use common sense nor reading comprehension. Just because you refuse to use either doesn't give you an excuse to act petulant.
Solecist Project
#172 - 2016-08-24 11:11:40 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Harmonic Balance wrote:
... internet spaceship toughguys ... Judging by your kill record

OK...you are just trying *way* too hard now...

Deep Breaths...

Omg his name is so extremely unfitting, it's hilarious!
The quoted part is really good as well. ^_^

Look at him, the not internet warrior who totally doesn't behave like he's a super tough strong man! ^_^

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#173 - 2016-08-24 11:15:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
DD, let the trolls not get the best of ya.

It's not hard to look ag their attitudes to know that they would have reacted much worse than you did ...
... if the same thing had happened to them.

Especially that one person. They could never write a decent post ...
... hell, they'd never even try, so full of themselves are they ...
... which is enough reason to just dismiss.

We need you here on these forums ... just rise above the hate.
Don't let the low ones drag you down to their miserable level of existence.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#174 - 2016-08-24 21:33:34 UTC
This is matter of principle. I think most people here agrees that the OP got shafted, not through his own mistake, but because CCP's wrong management of the event. And people troll him and tell him he should have accounted for CCP screwing this up?

So let me get this straight - are those people seriously saying that CCP is expected to screw up with such events, so we shouldn't expect them to get it right, and plan ahead & invest our time and effort with the expectation that CCP will screw up?

That may be being pragmatic, but come on, surely, as a community, we'd rather CCP wakes up and improve their event management? And it would also be in CCP's interest that players are satisfied with these events they run and it actually translates into real motivation to log in/sub/resub, etc?

OP has given a valid feedback to CCP, and although I'm not in any way related to this event (I've totally ignored it really) in terms of personal interest, I support OP's view and appreciate the whole write up, as I think it's a good thing that people give proper feedback to what CCP has done wrong/how they could improve. Just saying 'expect CCP to fail, if you don't it's your fault' is just non-constructive. It's not even being cynical, it's just defeatist.

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#175 - 2016-08-24 22:11:56 UTC
Discordia Duenna wrote:
[quote=Harmonic Balance]

Repentance is your name. An eidetic memory and... :)



Eidetic Memory V. It was an awesome skill :p

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#176 - 2016-08-25 09:37:04 UTC
Toobo wrote:
This is matter of principle. I think most people here agrees that the OP got shafted, not through his own mistake, but because CCP's wrong management of the event. And people troll him and tell him he should have accounted for CCP screwing this up?

So let me get this straight - are those people seriously saying that CCP is expected to screw up with such events, so we shouldn't expect them to get it right, and plan ahead & invest our time and effort with the expectation that CCP will screw up?

That may be being pragmatic, but come on, surely, as a community, we'd rather CCP wakes up and improve their event management? And it would also be in CCP's interest that players are satisfied with these events they run and it actually translates into real motivation to log in/sub/resub, etc?

OP has given a valid feedback to CCP, and although I'm not in any way related to this event (I've totally ignored it really) in terms of personal interest, I support OP's view and appreciate the whole write up, as I think it's a good thing that people give proper feedback to what CCP has done wrong/how they could improve. Just saying 'expect CCP to fail, if you don't it's your fault' is just non-constructive. It's not even being cynical, it's just defeatist.


This and staying constructive always wins through. Pessimism builds nothing, it only creates increased entropy.
Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#177 - 2016-08-25 09:39:01 UTC
Harmonic Balance wrote:
rabble rabble


The bpc is unique. Max ME. The price went up for you.
Yun Kuai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#178 - 2016-08-25 09:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Yun Kuai
Toobo wrote:
This is matter of principle. I think most people here agrees that the OP got shafted, not through his own mistake, but because CCP's wrong management of the event. And people troll him and tell him he should have accounted for CCP screwing this up?

So let me get this straight - are those people seriously saying that CCP is expected to screw up with such events, so we shouldn't expect them to get it right, and plan ahead & invest our time and effort with the expectation that CCP will screw up?

That may be being pragmatic, but come on, surely, as a community, we'd rather CCP wakes up and improve their event management? And it would also be in CCP's interest that players are satisfied with these events they run and it actually translates into real motivation to log in/sub/resub, etc?

OP has given a valid feedback to CCP, and although I'm not in any way related to this event (I've totally ignored it really) in terms of personal interest, I support OP's view and appreciate the whole write up, as I think it's a good thing that people give proper feedback to what CCP has done wrong/how they could improve. Just saying 'expect CCP to fail, if you don't it's your fault' is just non-constructive. It's not even being cynical, it's just defeatist.


*Edit* If CCP doesn't want to award the prizes right away, then the other option is that they need to clearly state "prizes will be awarded "X" days/week after the event finishes" and then keep that waiting period standard across all other events so that players know beforehand what to expect. But the main point to take away here is that even if CCP states "will award prizes 2 weeks after the event finishes", they cannot be late. No excuses!

I agree completely with Toobo here. CCP planned this event I'm assuming months in advance as they had to design the sites, decide rewards, and build up the hype. They should definitely be held accountable for poor post-event management and prize distribution. If you know you're going to award the top 10 a specific BPC, then why not have those 10 BPCs manually created alongside the site creation and have them ready to go the moment you declare the winners? The overall site mechancis I'm fine with having to be tweaked each go around until they figure out the best way to hold an event, but the reward and distribution system needs to be cleaned up asap if CCP realistically expects people to continue participating in them.

*Edit* If CCP doesn't want to award the prizes right away, then the other option is that they need to clearly state "prizes will be awarded "X" days/week after the event finishes" and then keep that waiting period standard across all other events so that players know beforehand what to expect. But the main point to take away here is that even if CCP states "will award prizes 2 weeks after the event finishes", they cannot be late. No excuses!

If CCP wants to continue these events and build traction with them, then they have to get better at running them from start to finish, or they run the risk of people just ignoring them because "CCP always lets you down" mentality.

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Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#179 - 2016-08-25 10:07:19 UTC
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
Discordia Duenna wrote:


You are from PL, you've been through this process as a group a good few times and anyone of you with knowledge of this process could have halted this in it's tracks by sharing the reward process. Many of us have not.


Being in PL doesn't give me exclusivity on the ability to use common sense nor reading comprehension. Just because you refuse to use either doesn't give you an excuse to act petulant.


Common sense is something that those in the know can apply. Reading comprehension....I wasn't provided with anything concrete to read that answered any of my concerns, if I was CCP Falcon wouldn't have needed to respond. I can refuse to use knowledge or experience I don't have yet. You talk like you are in a position to pass judgement on me, maybe from your perspective you are, but to me it's just someone's opinion in a sea of them. I sorta gave you guys a compliment for being in the know about event rewards, seeing as you guys be all elite and all that, instead you just rub it in. I hope you don't do that in RL.
Solecist Project
#180 - 2016-08-25 10:32:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Discordia Duenna wrote:
I hope you don't do that in RL.
Of course he does.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia