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The Shadow of Serpentis event, miscommunication and autism apparently.

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Discordia Duenna
Resilience.
DARKNESS.
#1 - 2016-08-18 12:40:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Discordia Duenna
Dear CCP

I am angry. I am very angry. Which is very unlike me to be with regards to your excellent game.

Why am I angry? First let me calm down and share my event experience, warts and all.

I put about 450 hrs into this event and positioned #9. This time last week I was elated. I was proud of the achievement of my corp and the rando's I picked up along the way throughout this event.

I have been hunted, I have hunted. I have stolen more cans from people than I can count, I optimized my strategies through optimizing routes across New Eden, organized a team for maximizing returns on points. I managed to get my own time in Shipyards down to 1:20 when it was just myself and my alt. I nearly gave up, oh-so-many-times. I drank more coffee than a small principality in the Alps. Garnered support from friends and family who cheered me on. Supported other people in the top 10 and competed with them. I have seen more of the south of Empire space than I thought I would ever see, in my 10 years of playing. I am marked with the word "Shipyard" for life.

The Story

I started the event late, about 12 days in and worked out how to optimize getting points together with my corp worked on making fits for the sites and we made an agreement that I would split my rewards with them proportional to their own point accumulation. The guy that finished above me had 199k pts before I had even really got going and he finished only 17k above me. We had a long road between the start and end of this event. We piled through low sec moving from honeypot to honeypot, searching for those systems where shipyards piled up. A leopard scout zipped between these locations and reported what they saw, if shipyard gold was spotted we set our route and watched those systems until the fleet arrived. We also had several war decs active throughout the event and managed to kill a few folks along the way, most of our losses were to faction navies or concord....0.0 folks sometimes forget to check their sec status :P

Losses:

1 Machariel (t2 all gank, no tank) low sec
1 Hurricane, low sec
1 Caracal, Ammatar Navy didn't like 'im
1 Caracal Navy Issue, Concord
1 Astero, low sec scout
1 Tornado, sacrificed for the greater good in low sec


Kills:

1 Orca carrying x 2 hulks (1 dropped and I used this for the event mining challenges, it's shield booster went on my Orthrus)
1 Proteus , concorded trying to save the orca
1 Stratios, what can I say I know how to get 'em concorded, also died to concord
1 Mackinaw, caught YOLO'ing through a gate after committing Grand Theft Ore, lost his pod too
1 Bestower
1 Omen, can flipping ftw
1 Drake, more can flipping joy

Back to the story....So I have done maybe 5000 + jumps in the past month, maybe more, my AP was usually sitting in the hundreds of waypoints. Along the way I met a variety of individuals, who had their own eccentricities, some joined the fleet and headed to our position whenever they logged in. Some stalked me in rage, due to me always getting the can in "their" sites. One of the rando's that joined me had never been into low sec properly nor had they stolen anything before, she was soon corrupted and became eager for the less carebeary side of eve.

I saw a variety of strategies deployed in running these sites, drone boats being the most annoying and ineffective. The biggest blight for me was the 100,000 Gila's I encountered, seriously boring PVE choice guys. I got so sick of seeing them that all Gila's I encountered got tagged with a 5 mill bounty, something I am still keeping up today, even if you are blue... Grath Telkin didn't seem to agree with my opinion on the Gila and I got some strange anonymized bounty placed on my head as a result, gotta say no one has claimed it yet :)

I bumped into most of the other top 10 on my routes, which covered Kador, Kor-Azor, Domain, The Bleak Lands, Derelik, Devoid, Heimatar, Metropolis and some occasional stints into Gallente space and on occasion ran sites with them, I shared an ingame channel with 2 of them throughout the event, simply due to serendipity.

The event bought back a friend to resub who hasn't played for 2-3 yrs and I have flown with him since 2006, so it was a bit like old times :) It also gave a bit of downtime to Darkness folks that had been on CTA's forever and a day since MBC kicked goons out of Deklein. We had 1 guy in fleet fall asleep about 4 times during the event, each time trying to pull that he was there after we had cleaned the rats of his ship just floating in a devastated shipyard. I found myself doing shipyards asleep too, being woken by my shield warning noises. One guy in fleet rocked a high grade ascendancy set and I sware to god he was everywhere at the same time. On many occasions we found ourselves being scouted to new locations by machariels (still not quite settled with this 50% warp speed malarky), who got to work on the cruisers.

Our Standing Fleet: When solo I'd run an Orthrus and Machariel

x1-4 Orthrus
x1-3 Machariels
x1-2 Cynabals
x1-3 Talos (hyperspatials)
x1 Hurricane
x1 Leopard (scout)
x1 Astero (scout and prober)

Our setup was ungodly, it was possible to decimate a yard before the 2 mwd bursts it would take to get to the can and I really enjoyed, leaving a "WTF just happened" on the faces of people already in the sites in question. Everyone worked really hard to get me into the top 10 and I owe them much for their efforts.

The Loot came to about 9 billion isk, I spent 4 bill on buying people ships and PLEXing my two accounts, aswell as shitting out full cargoholds of serp processors periodically for someone in fleet to take, aswell as handing out implants.

I have been banned from more astrahaus's than I thought would be possible, and have been bountied again and again for crimes against serpentis can stealing. To the war targets, better luck next time, too slow and too concerned with choke points you are.
Discordia Duenna
Resilience.
DARKNESS.
#2 - 2016-08-18 12:41:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Discordia Duenna
All in all, the event was a barrel of laughs and the most ungodly grind of my life and your life too, may you never know this grind. So now to the anger...

It has been 9 days since the event ended.
It took 450 hrs plus of my personal time, not including Corp mates time.
I ran the event for 28 days.
I accumulated 383,050 pts and 130k on my alt
The winners were announced on Sunday, still no event prize.
5000 + jumps.
100,000 Gila Bounties
over 3000 Shipyards
over 6,000,000 units of ore mined
1 failed Drifter assault
300,000 units of Caldari Navy Scourge light missiles
If I were to be tried for war crimes against Serpentis, then I fear my immortal clone would be on ice until after the stars of New Eden have burned out.


After all this, I have nothing from the event. CCP has removed our period of exclusivity on our prizes by making the Serepentis bpc available on the SISI lp store. This is before we have even received our bpc on Tranquility. Offers to the top 10 have started to dry up and no one is interested in purchasing our non existent bpc.

Comparing the amount of effort of this event to other events run and sponsored by CCP, we have been royally shafted. More hrs went into this than any other event you have run and the prizes were meant to be spectacular and leave the winners space rich to a degree. This is not what has happened. I feel that you have robbed me of a month of my life and my corp feels similar, they aren't really talking in corp chat anymore, just the odd bit of ratting and exchanging hi and bye. Some are considering unsubbing, due to how short changed they feel from the experience. A couple of them experienced burnout only doing a small % of the hrs I put in. And boy was the burnout real.

My family and friends are outraged at how long it has taken for you to communicate with regards to the event and I placated them with the knowledge that you guys were on holiday and that I am a patient person and I can wait for the results. The results came in the blink of an eye, with more attention paid to an instagram competition, a real slap in the face. I am still awaiting the bpc, you managed to seed them on SISI, having some knowledge of how games work in construction sets I can say that the time it takes to add these things to our redeemables borders on at least 10-20 clicks of a mouse. The time it takes to write a news article to announce the winners? Maybe an afternoon with the right proof reading etc, and that is being generous.

Before people jump down my throat and complain that my diamond shoes are too tight, let me remind you that 450 hrs in 28 days is an insane amount of grind and deffo a once in a lifetime thing to try. I expected to be handsomely rewarded for my efforts and to go on to create content for my corp and alliance for years to come with my winnings, because that's what I am in eve, I am not a follower, I am a content creator, I like to make things happen. I expected to not have to worry about isk for sometime, instead I am worried that my corp will still keep logging in after feeling so deflated.

To some of you reading this, i'd like you to calculate how much you could have made with a gang of up to 10 people over 450 hrs in a month, in a non unique event setting and tell me what you would expect to make.

I have always played eve for fun over isk/time, but in this instance I expect to be rewarded for my corp and I's hard work, our ingenuity, our persistance, our isk outlay, and our eye on the space gold YaRr.

I have had a tough time the past 2 years, a failed business, a blood clot and pneumonia, my self esteem was pretty low and I decided this event would be a challenge unlike any other life could offer to rehabilitate myself. I know I am not alone in turning to eve for this as the countless war veterans I have encountered can attest to, some of us went to war in a different way in life, and having eve to be able to mitigate some of these effects has kept me sane all these years.

CCP sort this out, don't screw us over for the love of Jove. I am not sure what you can do to fix this, we were receiving offers of 150-200 bill for the Vendetta bpc, now...nada. suggestions have included PLEX, or even the finished ships themselves, heck i'd settle for a finished dread and the bpc of the Vendetta. What I fear is that we are left in this situation and made to lump it, if that is the case, then I can't bring myself to play anymore.

No you cannot have my stuff or my sp. :)
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-08-18 13:04:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Soel Reit
reserved for comments after you finish writing your story.
i suggest a tl;dr

(read all the story written for now, it's a good story)

p.s. Opa !top10 ftw EleGiggle

EDIT:
well... you are right... the legendary CCP's "Soon™" often **** people off...
i hope that your effort as well as the effort that the others top10 put in the event will be awarded.

For now you have the satisfaction of being in that top10 and that's what you should treasure.
Rewards will come, they must come.

good job, o7
Discordia Duenna
Resilience.
DARKNESS.
#4 - 2016-08-18 13:11:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Discordia Duenna
TL;DR

CCP screwed the event winners over and still haven't delivered their bpc. Simultaneously they have released the bpc on SISI to the serp lp store. We have no period of exclusvity for our non-existant rewards after 450 + hrs put in.

Compared to other events, this one payed out less the more hrs you put in, would have had better odds and prizes doing Theomachy.
Viktor Amarr
#5 - 2016-08-18 13:20:41 UTC
You... you were expecting CCP to have a well thought out plan, properly executed with people and checks in place to ensure overall quality? What game have you been playing, cause I might be interested.
Discordia Duenna
Resilience.
DARKNESS.
#6 - 2016-08-18 13:25:19 UTC
Viktor Amarr wrote:
You... you were expecting CCP to have a well thought out plan, properly executed with people and checks in place to ensure overall quality? What game have you been playing, cause I might be interested.


I'm a pragmatist, I am surprised CCP even got as far as they did with such a complex undertaking. Everyone makes mistakes and **** ups. Even you and me.
Viktor Amarr
#7 - 2016-08-18 13:38:20 UTC
Discordia Duenna wrote:
Viktor Amarr wrote:
You... you were expecting CCP to have a well thought out plan, properly executed with people and checks in place to ensure overall quality? What game have you been playing, cause I might be interested.


I'm a pragmatist, I am surprised CCP even got as far as they did with such a complex undertaking. Everyone makes mistakes and **** ups. Even you and me.


I'm a realist, if you want to predict the future you just have to look at the past. I couldn't name one single thing CCP has ever done that made good sense, was well executed with quality control from start to finish combined with proper communication back and forth.
Discordia Duenna
Resilience.
DARKNESS.
#8 - 2016-08-18 13:39:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Discordia Duenna
Viktor Amarr wrote:
Discordia Duenna wrote:
Viktor Amarr wrote:
You... you were expecting CCP to have a well thought out plan, properly executed with people and checks in place to ensure overall quality? What game have you been playing, cause I might be interested.


I'm a pragmatist, I am surprised CCP even got as far as they did with such a complex undertaking. Everyone makes mistakes and **** ups. Even you and me.


I'm a realist, if you want to predict the future you just have to look at the past. I couldn't name one single thing CCP has ever done that made good sense, was well executed with quality control from start to finish combined with proper communication back and forth.

I can, most of the game. This post isn't about other mistakes, it's about this one, sorry there is no fix all for CCP's errors, Let's take one issue at a time shall we?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2016-08-18 13:42:08 UTC
Forgive me but...Its on SISI, not tranq.

Whats the problem there?
Rawthorm
The Establishment
#10 - 2016-08-18 13:43:42 UTC
I may be making things up, but I swear CCP had an events team once upon a time. Now days I get the distinct feeling that no one "owns" events, (which is quite shocking considering there was a advertised webpage for it and everything) and as such it's just fell between the cracks once it was done with.

I can only hope that CCP is having an internal discussion about revisiting the build costs for these ships and thus held back in releasing them, but I'm not optimistic on that front.
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-08-18 13:46:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Forgive me but...Its on SISI, not tranq.

Whats the problem there?


The all important question is the price of the bpcs in LP, as that will put a ceiling on the price of the prize bpcs in game, very quickly.

Undoubtedly lack of information for buyers would have been helpful for sellers.

btw : anyone know what the LP costs are ?
Solecist Project
#12 - 2016-08-18 13:47:29 UTC
Great post, great read, thank you for sharing!

Quote:
One of the rando's that joined me had never been into low sec properly nor had they stolen anything before, she was soon corrupted and became eager for the less carebeary side of eve.


Great work! Well done!

Now I'll read the second post. ^_^

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Zanar Skwigelf
Wormhoppers Inc.
#13 - 2016-08-18 13:48:03 UTC
I have 3 thoughts on this:

1) 16 hours a day for 28 days straight is only 9th place?

2) Why should we care that literally 10 people got screwed? I would love to know how many people get scammed by Jita isk doublers each day.

3) The BPCs are on SISI, not TQ. You are being impatient. I understand that the offers have dried up, but once you get the bpcs I would expect you to get offers again.
Discordia Duenna
Resilience.
DARKNESS.
#14 - 2016-08-18 13:49:55 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Forgive me but...Its on SISI, not tranq.

Whats the problem there?


It's not on tranquility yet either, tis the main issue, second issue is having put the SISI stuff up it's pretty much made all buyers not interested for a price that would have made the acquisition of said bpc's worth the effort. It is a subtle issue that perhaps wouldn't have occurred if CCP had released our prizes already. On the 07 show they even said we "have been awarded", this is not the case.


Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-08-18 13:54:18 UTC
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
I have 3 thoughts on this:

1) 16 hours a day for 28 days straight is only 9th place?

2) Why should we care that literally 10 people got screwed? I would love to know how many people get scammed by Jita isk doublers each day.



ccp shouldn't be screwing players

Quote:


3) The BPCs are on SISI, not TQ. You are being impatient. I understand that the offers have dried up, but once you get the bpcs I would expect you to get offers again.


The price in LP is on SISI, this will put a ceiling on the offers.
Discordia Duenna
Resilience.
DARKNESS.
#16 - 2016-08-18 13:55:45 UTC
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
I have 3 thoughts on this:

1) 16 hours a day for 28 days straight is only 9th place?

2) Why should we care that literally 10 people got screwed? I would love to know how many people get scammed by Jita isk doublers each day.

3) The BPCs are on SISI, not TQ. You are being impatient. I understand that the offers have dried up, but once you get the bpcs I would expect you to get offers again.



1) Perhaps you should ask the others what they pulled to eh? missed the bit about starting 12 days late? Also this is just nasty what you are saying tbh.

2) ISK scammers are an in game emergent behaviour, not a CCP run competition, don't compare fish and apples for the sake of coming across as...i dunno whatever you were trying to be.

3) The impact has already been felt, it's very real to me and others in the top 10. Patience is something I am best known for and I have mountains of it. I also know when the time for patience is over and action needs to be taken.
Breaking Fast
Breakfast Klub
#17 - 2016-08-18 13:59:07 UTC
Very well written piece.

My major gripe is the lack of communication - aside from a 30 second to 1 minute segment on the o7 show there is no written report on the event coming from CCP, some 9 days after the event ended now. The Instagram competition already has a write up. the last update on the serpentis event was written on 05/08/16 - almost 2 weeks ago.

Lack of communication as to when winners can expect their prizes? Are CCP expecting to hand them out at the same time as releasing them on the Serpentis LP store Tranquility?


CCP want more subscribers, want people to log in more to partake in events such as these. The way this one has been handled is certainly putting many people off from participating in future events including myself.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#18 - 2016-08-18 13:59:09 UTC
Zanar Skwigelf
Wormhoppers Inc.
#19 - 2016-08-18 14:08:22 UTC
Coralas wrote:
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
I have 3 thoughts on this:

1) 16 hours a day for 28 days straight is only 9th place?

2) Why should we care that literally 10 people got screwed? I would love to know how many people get scammed by Jita isk doublers each day.



ccp shouldn't be screwing players

Quote:


3) The BPCs are on SISI, not TQ. You are being impatient. I understand that the offers have dried up, but once you get the bpcs I would expect you to get offers again.


The price in LP is on SISI, this will put a ceiling on the offers.


We knew from the initial announcement of the event that the BPCs were going to be put in the LP store after the event. I'm shocked that a serious buyer would try to purchase one of the BPCs before they hit the LP store.

Quote:

1) Perhaps you should ask the others what they pulled to eh? missed the bit about starting 12 days late? Also this is just nasty what you are saying tbh.


I didn't miss it, I'm just shocked that this is where the bar was set to even make the top 10, never mind the top 5. While my other 2 points were more cruel, this one was a general observation of the effort it takes to get a BPC that can be bought in an LP store if everyone just waited.
Discordia Duenna
Resilience.
DARKNESS.
#20 - 2016-08-18 14:14:21 UTC
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
Stuff.


We were all aware it would hit the lp store, just not before we actually got our prizes, some people pay more for being 1st. That's supply and demand.
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