EVE General Discussion

What do you mean by killing? My shoot you in the head term was about completely outclassing the competition.

You forgot one thing with Star Citizen and Elite, they are still out there to "kill" EVE. They were/are slowly killing it.

Well I suppose you and I are on different sides of the aisle on this. I never meant to imply in any way that I see CCP as lazy quite the opposite. Nor do I mean to ignore their past failures. I think if they devoted time to it they could get it right. I do understand and respect your arguments.

And they will most likely be back like they always do in every other game I mentioned. Because What EVE offers is unique.

EVE players are a real good example of people who don't really know what they want. When Star Trek Online was announced some proclaimed the end of EVE "because STO will let you walk around, and it will control griefing" STO does all that, and EVE is still here, because many of the vocal EVE players who went to play it and swore they would not come back, slinked right back when they realized it was a shallow experience.

many of those people were pve/industrial types who hated "PVP being forced on them" as well as not having an avatar to 'identify with". Yet back to EVE they came despite it not having all those things they thought they wanted. That's because identifying with your avatar is generally unimportant, and the dangers present in EVE gives the experience VALUE that those other games (where you lose little except time) don't generate.

That's why all the talk about SC (A dream) and No Man's Sky (which is turning out to be a joke) won't matter either. Because , again, people don't understand what is important to them. You seem to be one of them.



BTW, "EVE is dying because these other games are coming so CCP better give me WiS" is simply a combination of anxiety ("I don't want my game to shut down") and manipulation ("this will scare CCP into giving me what I already want). Most of us can see right through it, which is why there is all this opposition to even the idea of WiS. If you WiS types could stop the counter-productive scare mongering, you might make some progress.

You are not able to see thru what motivates me. I will clear this issue.

I have 4 years more of training time in EVE. I can stay logged out for 4 years, until my subscription runs out here. I already bookmarked myself in the future of EVE, that I will be here, at least from time to time.

But I am afraid I will really have to move to other game and not log on for months because EVE as good as it is, could not stand up to my expectations. Community is already not something what keeps me here. Maybe some particular players only. You can stay playing it, but its not for everyone and your friends will stop at some point and move elsewhere. If you would try to stay, you will feel lonely in MMORPG. SC with its multiplayer allows stil for a group play.

I am trying to rise above the usual "naah, meh" stance that would result in marginalization of players like me and in effect EVE in long term, and I present my oppinion for how to fight for brighter future of EVE and CCP. This WiS thing is not new at all, and it will never worn out.
So its not like I am here because I dont care. If I woudnt care, you would not see me here posting this stuff over and over.

And I dont think CCP is not scared already.

WIS will be a waste of development time and money if it is created just for the purpose of 'walking' in station. It will be abandoned and deserted quickly if it has no reason for players to use. The WIS concept has to be embedded in a larger game plan and framework in order to be meaningful.

Nova is supposed to be a decent FPS game that should be stand on its own feet. While the primary goal is to create a successful FPS game, the secondary goal should be the readiness to merge with the EVE world. I hope there will be some high level plans in the beginning for both worlds such as shared market, space station combat, naval boarding combat and planetary lading operation.

CCP please don't forget the lessons from DUST. Don't let those obstacles that prevent DUST from merging with EVE to get in the way of Nova. I look forward to shoot inside a Citadel.

Well put. Which leads me back to my original post. Why not use the assets which have already been created, both in the FPS realm and with the carbon engines and use them to create a WiS capacity which has potential to enhance eve. Judging from the look of CQ a mass effect inspired game could be made viable and without a lot of bells and whistles.

I don't know about the engine things. However, I noticed, apart from technical challenges, other obstacles includes undue influences from stakeholders inside and outside the game. Human factors are often more difficult to be tackled than technical problems. I don't want Nova to follow the ****** tracks of DUST.

First, why we dont leave? You seem not to realize why people could stay here?
Be serious, think.
Friends, spaceships, actual features, many others....

Expectations.

You know its that some people had expectations all the time they were playing EVE? Time when they played Elite on 8-bit computer? Its all about the expectations that can be fulfilled.

And I don not dislike the game. Stop with this counterpropaganda thing, its fanboy stuff. I like it, but my expectations were always greater but EVE was always more closer to it than everything else. But situation is changing. Expectations that earlier could not be fulfilled, will be. Those who dont adapt with their product, will be put to their quickly forming niche inside niche.

I know some creatures that still after millions of years stay in their niche and does not evolve. Lovely.

PS: its this crustacean on the left.

You have mistaken me with someone else.

And if SC will flop on its **** and crush its skull on the gutter (not really happening at that point), I will not cry, because I will still have EVE.

It was when EVE got the greatest updates and hype was the greatest when the amount of players was rising, there were talks about WIS, planetary flight, and many other things, and CCP assured us we will get there. No one was thinking it will be like that, with Monocles and other stuff that was left behind, and this demo on earlier fanfest we got, was only making people feel cheated. Like in "I gave my monies for this stuff? CCP didn deliver. And they want even more monies now?"

Its a long story why they needed the monies from monocles in the first place, for PSSHHHH WoD perhaps?...

Who really knows...