Intergalactic Summit

And here, dear readers, you can witness a typical brainwashed gallentean propagandist creature.
This 'pilot' displays abnormal lack of cognitive abilities claiming what I want, that I never said or really wanted anywhere.

Anyone still want to negotiate with gallenteans like that? Anyone thinks that peace with peoples like Osyn possible?

Well... maybe it is possible, but not before they will be locked in asylums or something like that.

Ok, ok. Sorry.

I don't think she dumb. I think she's damaged. She's hurt and lashing out at the things that hurt her. Sometimes I want to give her a hug. Other times, I want to kick her in the uterus. Does that make sense?

Don't delude yourself, The lunatic to whom you refer is not seeking closure, she's just stirring the pot and trying to claim black is white, as usual.
-Tertianus Rethelior

You are the one that needs to be locked in an asylum I would even help cover treatment costs

She has only a point about the federal government, not the Gallentean people.

Most Gallenteans are freedom-loving, peaceful people. The government currently doesn't reflect that and hasn't for some time. Just as Tibus Heth didn't represent most Caldari in the direction he took their government, and I don't judge the Caldari as a people for his actions.

This is why I am not a fan of all of the empires. They are corrupt, and it's long past time to clean house and start anew.

And by the way, there is no way Alexander Noir was piloting that Nyx, it would fly in the face of his entire life's work and his general disposition as testified to by hundreds of people who worked closely with him over several decades. It's just a little bit too strange for me to believe he flipped 180 degrees to bomb a peace conference of all things. I grew up admiring Noir, and the man who piloted that Nyx is not the same man whose lifetime ideals shaped my own. Admirals of even the State once spoke of him with deep admiration. The Gallente and Caldari were so close to bridging the gap. What happened? It certainly wasn't some accident, and I doubt Noir turned into a murderous terrorist overnight, two weeks after receiving the Aidonis for his work bridging that gap.

I think very powerful, multi-empyrean corporate interests within both the State and the Federation were pushing for war to make a profit at the cost of billions of lives.

I was referring to the Shiigeru. The one that was attacked without provocation by Federation forces, the one that crashed into a fairly significant mountain range, causing widespread destruction. More widespread destruction that is, the planet had already been battered by years of warfare.



You know that moral high ground is a sarcastic thing don't you? There is no moral high ground to be had here, but you seem to think there is. Thank you for proving my point though.

There isn't much point arguing in here on that subject, the Federation supporters don't argue back they just deny having any part in it, which is exactly what I said they'd do.



I too, enjoy beating the mentally ill.
Diana is insane. I don't know why but I'd hazard a guess that she was in some way mistreated by the Federation. Maybe she lost family to them, maybe she was directly hurt by them. Most Caldari have had such things happen to them.

Who knows?

You have an interesting definition of 'unprovoked'.

But still... the only thing I see is that you are simply the next incarnation of the apparently perpetual Caldari cult of victim-hood.

By the way, I noticed you left out the most important bit when you quoted me….

But then your kin are the masters of selective forgetfulness, especially when it comes to your guilt.

I suggest you re-read the first paragraph.

If you're piloting a ship and I shoot you, causing you to crash into a mining colony, who would be guilty for the deaths of the miners within? (It's me. I committed the act of shooting you that lead to the destruction. You would be a victim in this case. If you reply "But the Caldari put the Titan there in the first place!" that will further prove my point as to your lack of self awareness.

A Federation supporter accusing Caldari of having a victim-hood cult is hilarious. Almost every justification for continued aggression relies on the idea that the State is persecuting the Federation. Which is hilarious since almost every military campaign by the State has been defensive or retaliatory. For the last two hundred years at least, we've been defending ourselves. We don't forget our guilt. We accept it and strive to fix the damage caused by it, Heth was a mistake and he was treated like one. We accept that he should never have been given power and removed it.

Thank you for not addressing my points and instead refusing to accept that the Federation has any guilt. You continue to prove my point. You lack of any self awareness is very helpful.

See, this always happens. Whenever doubt is expressed over Alexander Noir and the Wandering Saint, this is the challenge that's always run up the flagpole: "Okay genius, if he wasn't flying it, who was?"

The honest answer to that question is "I don't have the first idea."

Being skeptical of hypothesis A does not automatically require the immediate presentation of hypothesis B to replace it.



Whatever else he was, TIbus Heth I think truly did consider himself a citizen first and foremost,. When he took over Kaalakiota in the week after the Malkalen incident, if there had been any evidence that the corporation was involved in orchestrating that attack, it would have come to light. After all, that kind of evidence would have been all he needed to really drive the final nails into Haatakan Oiritsuu's coffin, especially if it also gave him the chance to strong-arm Lai Dai.

Megacorp execs conspiring with the Federation to attack the State? Digging that up would have been a massive propaganda victory for the Provists, and we'd still most likely be under their thumb if they had ever been able to find something like that.

Attempting a gambit like that in the political weather of the State during the whole of YC110? You'd have to be irredeemably incompetent to go further than idly considering it, even if you were inclined to do so.

Fair enough, but until I find a hypothesis B, I'll stick to hypothesis A.



A citizen of what? Kaalakiota, or the "State"? Did he see himself of some bigger, intraempire order? If history tells us anything, it's that it probably wasn't really any of those--he was just a man seeking power. My two isk.



Good points. I forgot about the timing on that. Do you think he coordinated Malkalen from within, giving him the foothold he needed to take over KK and, dually, strike a blow against the Liberal interests that were most likely to be (and were) opposed to his leadership?