EVE General Discussion

Thank You CCP for obliterating my plex money i worked up to compensate the vacation time with increased fuel prices and market speculators coming out of the woodwork.

Yes its good that you postponed to avoid all our towers diaf. But not only are we putting in loads of man hours to load 6 more weeks of old fuel, and paying out the nose for it, but our wallets are getting hit pretty hard.

Especially those of us that operate towers for purposes that do not generate any income, (wormholers/supercap safety/bridge points/TCU Defense/etc).

Sure we can reprocess our fuel blocks and stuff them into all of our towers... I dont know about other people but when prices are already inflated and I'm buying up fuel in advance for a change, I didnt buy a metric ton of it that would get me all the way to Jan 24th.

The reason you're getting so much flak for this ccp has nothing to do with the changes, it's the fact that those of us that are seasoned in changes in this game, are used to using every minute we have available to be ready. We dont take chances, we have toons logged in the necessary stations before deployment to get the blueprints on release. We build up a stock of fuel as soon as we can.

So most of us were sitting on job well done until we login and see "WARNING SOMETHING WRONG WITH POSES" on the login screen. I feel sorry for the Anshar pilots burning all those topes moving fuel around, I know my jf fuel stock took a dent with all the trips importing topes and pi products.

If you don't take chances, why did you over convert, and do all that work based on a guesstimate date rather than a set and certain one?

Now, maybe i fail somewhere in my thought, then please be so kind to explain it to me, but:

If you are already able to fill in normal POS fuel and the fuel blocks at the same time, why not make the tower check if there is normal POS fuel, use this as first choice and if there is not enough of the normal POS fuel then start using the fuel blocks.
It has just to check every hour cycle if there is enough of normal fuel if not then check if there are Fuel Blocks, if yes start using.

Begin Cycle:
POS Fuel (yes/no) -> yes -> use POS fuel
POS Fuel (yes/no) -> no -> Blocks (yes/no) -> yes -> use Blocks
POS Fuel (yes/no) -> no -> Blocks (yes/no) -> no -> Tower goes offline

This would let everybody fill in the type of Fuel they want and People who already made tons of Blocks could already start using them instead of buying another Month of normal POS fuel

Regards,
Joahna

PS: In order to avoid problems with the different composition of the normal POS fuel depending on the CPU/PG usage you could just already switch other to an independent base consumption just the same as in the fuel blocks (they are still CPU/PG independent, right?)

Because there is a very good chance that trying that will make all POSes DIAF. From my understanding POS Code is terribly fragile. Remember the Free Moon Goo from POSes exploit? For over 3 YEARS, reactors didn't actually check if they were being fed inputs if they had cycled properly last time, the result: Free Moon Goo. For 3 Years. This is the type of coding POSes are run on. It's optimized for decreased server load (b/c of the hardware at the time) to such an extent that sometimes it breaks for no reason. In addition, adding this would require a test of the kind that is holding up the full switch, so this would just slow down the full switch.

I want my POSes to stay online, thankyewverymuch, CCP do all the tests you need.

And with the POS code this Fragile, even cheap, low risk data table valies are high risk given the consequences. The change failed on the test they ran. Who knows what the result of the failure was, but I assume POSes Dying in Fires.
That's a huge insight into the POS code.

Switching from Accept X to Accept Y broke POSes.

Failed the Test. We're waiting until January because the alternative is POSes going BIGGEST BOOM, and industry in Eve dying as we know it until well after it's fixed.

I'd also recommend not to do anything Bear Grylls tell you to do, except when he recommends 5 star hotels.

While pinning worked again for one build it must have broke more fixes then it fixed so it got pulled again.

For where i find this info I read all dev posts and stay logged in to Sisi way to much. Devs answer questions some times.

What client are you using? With all problem reports if you do not include client everyone is trying to reproduce it blind.

Edit. Pinning got implemented at the last minute so its in game again.

Another client patch will be deployed tomorrow at down time.

I'm sure this has been brought up but can someone explain to me why fuel blocks where created to make life easier but then you put a waist factor and prod efficiency affect on the bpos? I mean compressed ore is just squished rock and doesn't have this so why does consolidated fuel block?

well that's all fine and dandy and all that sugar free candy, but here's my issue with the whole scenario of your roll out expectations...

If you double the fuel bay, to make room for the pez, why take it back STRICTLY when the changeover happens...
My reasoning behind asking that is:

a) What happens to any remaining fuel components that are still in the bay when you shrivel it up to normal size

b) what if some random tard stuffs his full of pez the night before with only a day's worth of component fuels

c) Not sure about you, but the whole " premise " behind these fuel changes isn't to make us mine more ice product *sarcasm* but to make it " easier " for the large alliances with 1000's of posses, for the sole reason of the horde, you've changed pos fueling to be more expensive for the sake of ease of use and expediency, That being the case, why now all of a sudden do you expect these lot to count all their fuel in all their poses down to the minute so they don't lose anything on switch over day?..

I don't know how many teaspoons of salt are in the dead sea, but i gather you'd want us to count each grain by hand first as well...then charge us a 5£ tax on each.

You do know that...

- You can buy pre-researched BPOs on contracts fairly cheap. I think ME40 ("zero waste") prints are only about 20-30 mil ISK
- You can research BPOs yourself - ME0 to ME40 is like bit over 3 days in a POS. If you need fuel blocks, you have a POS right? Anchor a lab for a while, research, take it out if not needed.