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Indeed, let's look at the facts:

Capital ships used to shoot stuff: all time high
Capital ships being shot at and destroyed: all time high
Percentage of map covered by 2 great coalitions unwilling to fight each other: 7 year low
Percentage of map occupied by small-to-medium sized groups either willing to or already fighting each other: 7 year high
Percentage of map effectively empty which can therefore be claimed by ambitious and enthusiastic homesteaders: probably at a 10 year high, maybe longer.

We sure do need a rework of the resources and income generation ability of sov space, because it's not clear why farming anoms is better than farming SoE LP in hi-sec - few are disputing that - but yeah, apart from that the verifiable facts don't match up to the hurte buttes.

Deploying simply isn't as "impossible" as these lazy little fibbers make it out to be. It just takes some actual work other than 'get some dude to lay the cyno chain and then logging in a few titans, OK that's it we're ready.'

"*A bloo bloo*, we have to spend an hour looking for a suitable wormhole to take us most of the way and then cover the rest of the distance in gates like *shudder* poors, *a bloot bloot sniffle* how terribly CCP are oppressing us why won't somebody help us go back to the old days, oh great they did WAIT JESUS CHRIST THAT SURE IS A LOT OF GOONS IN TITANS WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO NOW????"

I swear to god, these people have the memory of goldfish.

start with the scram change and etc from 2009 if i`m not mistaken,and work your way down to the lastest expansion,and will you will find everything thats wrong with eve.not just fck fatigue.

Power Projection is how far your organization can alter other organizations' actions by its existence.
It certainly influences Sov warfare but is not tied to it.

Example: I operate a merc group out of Providence, I'm not too concerned about getting an escalation drop form forces in Syndicate, but I should be from Curse. So an organization in Syndicate doesn't really project power into Provi, but one from Curse can.

Note: The degree of Power Projection is organization unique and depends on its strategic maneuverability, as in how easy and quickly can it move significant combat forces from one region to another.

Now granted sub cap forces are also related to Power Projection and more so since Jump Fatigue, but Capitals and especially Super Capitals are the trump card of any projection of power.

Example: If I actually operated a merc group out of Provi, I would be more concerned about roams from my neighbors in Curse than anyone that lived in Syndicate, but if I had Capitals and the roamers didn't, I would be more free to use my Capitals to escalate the less I'm worried about escalations from opportunistic third parties, which is where Power Projection comes back into the picture.

The more we as gamers are limited to how far we can Project Power with our trump cards, the more likely it is that we are willing to use our trump cards locally.
That is, until someone decides to deploy next to me with their own Capitals.

Therefore, the farther the largest organizations can project power, the more they stifle out the smaller guys, and the larger they will get.
The less the largest organizations can project power, the more it allows more localized Capital combat to occur, such as those images the Dev posted in the Blog certainly shows.

So, Wake up!, it and this game are not just about the Sov!

The capital fatique should be longer, and the range shorter. Need more nerf bat. The meta gaming hyper kiddies all quit, so the adults can come back and play again. Gud stuff. It is ok that it need some time. Mentality change is never easy. Thank you for understanding!


Edit after reading the 2 posts above this one:

*EVE WASN'T ABOUT SHITTING SOMEONES DAY UP*

That said in the past tense of about 5-6 years ago, when all the hyper kiddies were still playing Wow listening to nickelback.
There was a time of gudfights, not making shitting-someones-day-up as a standard or else-i-dont-undock.

That mentality came originally from the goons and wars being fought against them for doing that.... and behold both results: It is the standard!

The exact counter to make a sandbox don't work for yourselves: is exactly that: Denying fun or don't create fun in the first place: and you get bored, and still login in what's "in your mind" a crappy game (that you have created by yourselves).

Still like the blue donut? And all that freely givin' Technetium, which you used for Free-Supers-For-Everyone?

"First impressions can only be given once". The same with your EVE experiences that form your game perception. Oh boy, the Rehab is kicking in hard: Please continue to swallow the donutttt. Let me help you a hand with mah foooot...


(Eve was about the sweaty hand palms, the racing hart and the excitement gained out of gudfights, not alt fapping baby sitting supers)

(Edit edit: perhaps the JF should be range buffed)

Right, because im not talking about moving one person to a location im talking about move an alliance or a significant portion of an alliance. If you could get everyone in a single place online at the same time and for them to magically have everything packed then it might only take a single cyno train pre-phoebe, that was never the case. In case you have never been on or planned a deployment it often takes months of planning and then finally an announcement of where one is moving. After this announcement people pack thier stuff in carriers or super typically at the last minute and then you move the entire fleet throughout a week to your staging system. This does in fact typically take a week with large battles like B-R taking a month to setup and for everyone to get into place.

Even with "instant" travel it took a week minimum to move an alliance for deployment, now its not likely to happen if at all due to the repercussions of leaving your space and the pain of capital travel.

Not for me it isn't. But then again I fight my neighbours.

Trying to get everyone logged on? So, what. Even when you had everyone coming back from vacation or a long work week, you just popped open the old cyno characters and poof, 20 minutes later all the stragglers were on the other side of the map again.

So, what part of that week had anything to do with the speed of your jump drive?

And don't feed me that horsecrap about B-R taking a month to set up. Sure there were things moved in advance. But did that stop people from the north running down south in caps/subcaps to get in on it? Hell no. Nobody was going to stage all those ships in one spot knowing they couldnt suddenly spaceships their way back home to defend their systems. We know that for a fact now, considering how the map has changed.

There is a significant difference between burning to a fight and committing to a deployment/migration. What took minutes now takes hours, just enough of a dynamics change to alter the action from random piling on to reasoned intended assault.

I too can and have moved tons of crap (including multiple capitals) several regions post greyscale and fozzie, and I have done it in a span of less than 24 hours, but it took almost entirely that, and was a serious pain in the butt of hurry up and wait. Point is, it made me make decisions and optimize what I was committing, where and how. My travel/combat carrier included plenty of solo PvP ships for the areas I had to wait timers in and I couldn't just mindlessly dump whatever doctrine I felt like taking with me. Once I got to my new area I had to figure out what and how to commit assets to conquerable areas and where to stage fall back reserves.

Granted, right now, I take forever to do what I used to do in minutes, and I guarantee it isn't something I am going to want to do just to burn down remote hostiles sov for the lolz (especially knowing they will just recapture after I/we leave). Eventually, when theoretical later changes to localizing economies and fortifying individual systems actually come online, this will actually make sense. Until then, it is giving a healthy wack to the head to us null dwellers that the universe is actually big again, and thank god for that.

I am enjoying watching all the localized conflict, and really hope CCP doesn't cave to the crying and posturing, and makes this "big again" universe actually inhabitable and worth fighting for, and hopefully they get rid of the damned moon isk faucets responsible for the sprawling pointless kingdoms of hurfdom, and allow people to enjoy living and prospering in their closer areas. I have run moon farms, and traveled multiple regions for shopping runs and supplies across an impressive array of player made jump bridge routes, where I stopped even paying attention to what region I was in because it didn't matter. The logistics involved was staggering and impressive, but also an utter waste of potential, where systems where treated as mile markers.

Point is, the universe is still fat and ripe with isk from the old system, and there are plenty of bloated coalitions full of isk and resources, and a whole bunch of smug overlord mentality cromags thinking on regional scales, and crying accordingly. If CCP holds the course, and pulls off what they are trying to do, this ocean of emptiness could actually have the potential to come alive and not just provide "content" for the masses, but unique game experiences for individuals and groups. There would actually be room for new players going forward, and the game might actually be marketable AND sustain retention. The pub and press from the big fights and awesome "this is eve" trailer proved that you could get people in, and showed demonstrably that there was no reason for them to stay.

With the universe as small as it was, it actually couldn't house more people, as 2k tidi fests proved over and over again. Good'ol day rose colored glasses paints those fights as awesome, and they were from a purely conceptual point of view, but in reality they were tidi misery fests of "this would be awesome if..." self generated imagined awesomeness. This has been said a bazillion times and ways.

Anyway, posture away about sov vs no-sov, change is coming regardless, hopefully CCP holds the line and vision, and keeps compressing our potential for action, growth, and daily experience into systems and constellations over regions and sides of the universe. This means a better day to day, some sense of a home, and WAY more importantly, more potential subscriptions.

My Take:

• BlackOps Battkeship ranges and portal generation should be 3x the basic lv5 carrier range, why? because that is what blackops are supposed to be! And they should have the ability not to be seen in local. Hence BLACKOPS / Covert ops.


• CUT jump Fatigue! and Limit Timers


• IDEA: A JUMP POS/Citadale! the hole POS/Citadale is capable of cyno-JUMP to a point in space, but with a 24h timer, just like the death star but limited to just one system in a constellation. The idea is to have a static element but with the capability of jumping to and from systems.


• TRANSLATE THE CLIENT TO SPANISH!

I fully support all of the points listed and think that nothing is missing.