EVE General Discussion

You can't reason with the close minded. Its pretty clear throughout this thread that he will not expand his point of view.

Many have expressed that this is sandbox that we have to create out own fun based upon the rules, while he only sees a theme park where it is up to CCP creating the fun.

No rule set or guidelines create enjoyment on their own in a sandbox, but theme parks are designed to do just that.
It appears a lot of players are having fun with the new Sov at his expense, because they know how to create the fun.

Some just can't get their head around the fact that in a sandbox game it is more upon the player to create his own fun.

And many are doing just that right now, at others expense. Its just, the ones who are not having the fun are those who seem to refuse to play by the new rules.

They don't want to play in a game where they don't automatically have the advantage anymore and need to find new ways to regain that advantage.

But that is what Eve has always been about. Every few years the game gets turned on its head and everyone needs to adjust.

Some refuse to adjust and Darwinism takes over. Maybe that's why Eve is so small, but maybe that's why Eve is still around.
If the Devs never turned this game on its head periodically, would this game still be around?

But back to the topic at hand...

Null Sec is stagnating and has been for a while. The reasons for that could be debated til the end of time, but the Devs seem to be shaking up the status quo until they can breath new life into it.

The merits of the current changes can be debated til the end of time as well, but it doesn't matter. There are numerous ways of doing things and to be honest the details don't matter too much, as long as the goal of breaking the status quo is achieved.

Those who refuse to change will simply cause CCP to come up with even more extreme changes to force that change that breaks up the status quo in Null Sec.

Many have quite this game in the past because of changes they have disagreed with. Many will do so in the future.

But this game needs to keep evolving even on the fundamental level at times, to keep it fresh for everyone.
Change is good, even change you don't fully agree with.
One hundred percent acceptance to any refactoring of gameplay is impossible.

Adapt or die. There is a reason that has become a common saying in this game.

The game must adapt as well, or it will stagnate, and die.

Looks like content and fights to me, de facto.

Trollceptor arrives, engages Entosis, pulls out defenders and fights them (noting hes also sacrificed a high)

Comparing to FW is irrelevant. No FW in null. Does not apply. Apples and oranges.

The runaway factor is also irrevelant, because this guy stays and fights persistently (ofc, granted, owing to him being very good at what he does). Sure editting may have left out 100 fights he ran from, but its quite apparent he WILL engage a defender 1v1.

Also lol the moron with a Civilian AB ( but credit for trying to force him out. Misfits happen)

Content and fights happened under the old system too. If people want to fight, they will. Now the issue is that you can contest sov without having to lay anything significant on the line.

No it's not. FW is a terrible system, pretty much universally agreed except by those who farm it for isk. The entosis system is basically FW in null, it's the same damn system but with a laser instead of just waiting by the node.

He will, most won't.

What? How does the system promote more fighting? The optimal strategy is to avoid fights and go after as many points as possible at the same time hoping some of them get through while running away when engaged.

The numbers are decreasing because the mechanics are boring and most people don't want to use them. There are unclaimed systems just sitting there to be taken and people can't even be bothered to take them. Even these "small groups" are starting to complain about the dullness of the mechanics, and they'll complain more when the bigger groups settle and forcefully evict them.

And no, concluding after a month that these mechanics suck is not ridiculous. Even CCP seems to agree that a lot needs to be done to fix the problems we're seeing right now. It's just the waiting now for them to decide how to approach it.

Lol, I'm just one of those guys who thinks PvP is more than chasing a disposable ship designed specifically for evasion. No thanks mate.

Out of curiosity, why is it that I live in null and you feel the need to tell me I'm doing it wrong and need to go to HS simply because I don't want to waste all day chasing shitfit frigates, yet a guy fits up a cheap disposable frigate designed from the ground up to be nullified, cloaked and evasion fit, and that's fine?

Just get over it mate. I have opinions on mechanics that directly affect me and they differ to yours. I'm not playing wrong just because I don't play your way, I shouldn't go to HS just because I don't want to **** around with crappy mechanics (and FYI, I'd be more likely to move to lowsec, since it's like nullsec but slightly safer). Game design is built on player feedback and that's what I and seemingly hundreds of others are providing seeing as we are directly involved with the mechanics on a daily basis.

This is getting pointless, circular, and regressing again to certain person spam.

GL CCP.

Im off to bed.

If running away and avoiding fights are the only things you do, you can't blame the mechanic. That is probably why the new system is boring to you. Try to commit to fights. A lot of people are enjoying the skirmishes and are having fun taking sov. The insecurity keeps people from claiming sov in various regions and some bigger entities are keeping smaller ones out, but that will change. It is funny to see how many people who are blue to half of new eden complain about not having fights. CCP will iterate on the mechanics of course but they are not agreeing on any problems some people are making up here. I can only repeat that the new system works great and a lot of the critique is ridiculous.

Wow, You are just not in the same park, not even in the same city, or country, hell I don't even think you are even in the same hemisphere as the point Lucas Kell was making.

Watch this.

If CCP was cognizant of how to design engaging game mechanics for both sides of sovlazoring, I doubt that the majicsoventosiswand would have been able to be placed in an interceptor. Something that was almost immediately picked up on and pointed out to CCP when they announced the mechanic. Nobody enjoys trying to chase down and catch the nigh uncatchable majicsovlazor interceptor, and what's even less fun is having to un-majicsovlazor whatever you just chased him away from for 10-15 minutes. That is not difficult, that's punishing.

I find it interesting to go back and look at thread stats from time to time because they can be so telling.

Really, the top poster has more posts than the second and third combined.
What does that say about this feedback thread on Aegis Sov?

You're a fun person. Unblue yourself from the 50k+ accounts you are bearing it up with ATM and we can talk. until then, you're just funny.

If you don't understand that...well...not much I can do