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The Shrinking Sandbox - Eve by numbers

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#2081 - 2015-07-15 10:03:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Dracvlad wrote:
I was listening to Fozzie on EN24 saying that the fall off in numbers was from hisec, so Kaurous, Baaldor and Jenn a'Side, ... you three plonkers should now go and chew on the humble pie. ...
Yup, team missions and maybe some more obvious, "look for group" or "match making" service in the tutorials for new players.
Urandas wrote:
...That being said, if this is what sov null is like for the next 9 years, would a wormhole corp be kind enough for me to sleep on their couch and let me do their laundry for them? ...
I am not feeling very enthusiastic to even log in.
Hopefully there are enough guys in Provi that enjoy Low Sec style mini-skirmishes.
I will probably show up for a second timer if a decent force tries to contest it.

In the mean time I am watching a lot of Star Trek and taking a "wait and see" approach to EVE. My stuff is packed, moved and ready to forget about Null if necessary. (I still have some ISK earning and PVP ships in Provi)

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2082 - 2015-07-15 10:29:40 UTC  |  Edited by: 0bama Barack Hussein
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
did the sky fall yet ? Roll


Well, looking at http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility, 18K average online last 36 hours, compared to 19K few days before that and 20K few weeks before that...

Usually numbers go up at patch days. What?

EDIT: We even barely reached 30K peak at first day, and people were already greefing null sec with Entosis-links to test new stuff out...
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2083 - 2015-07-15 11:02:11 UTC
Wouldn't it be hilarious if FozzySov exposed all the nullbears as lazy carebears who do not actually want to properly defend their space and don't really wish to properly live in it? Lol Except Providance I guess..

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#2084 - 2015-07-15 11:33:51 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Wouldn't it be hilarious if FozzySov exposed all the nullbears as lazy carebears who do not actually want to properly defend their space and don't really wish to properly live in it? Lol Except Providance I guess..

But isn't the idea of having lots of blues, so you don't have to do it yourself? P


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  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2085 - 2015-07-15 11:40:22 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
I was listening to Fozzie on EN24 saying that the fall off in numbers was from hisec, so Kaurous, Baaldor and Jenn a'Side there you go proof what I said.


Of course the falloff in numbers was from highsec. That was where the vast majority of the ISBoxer cheaters operated.

I'm just curious as to why you think that mandates some emergency PvE mission work, besides fitting your nonsense narrative anyway. Meanwhile, some guy is whelping a hundred+ newbies into T3s in Amarr and they're having a ball. Turns out that people come to this game for the conflict that the game is literally sold on. Idk about the rest of you guys, but I didn't see a lot of asteroid mining or shooting red crosses in the This Is EVE video.


Quote:

EVE is losing a lot of people in hisec so CCP needs to do some challenging group play stuff in hisec fast


Citation needed for the conclusion that you pulled out of your exhaust port.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2086 - 2015-07-15 11:49:29 UTC  |  Edited by: 0bama Barack Hussein
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Of course the falloff in numbers was from highsec. That was where the vast majority of the ISBoxer cheaters operated.





I´m kinda confused, there has been lots of talk about banning multiboxers and what not some months ago, as a reason for dropping PCU numbers in http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility, but seems to me drop has continued even after those measures were taken, steadily about 1K in every couple weeks...

Also, summer has been offered as an explanation on dropping numbers, but holidays have started in June (especially for students) at most of Europe already, and still month later PCU numbers are dropping....

I know there are no holidays from work in USA, has something happened in Russia?
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2087 - 2015-07-15 11:52:46 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I was listening to Fozzie on EN24 saying that the fall off in numbers was from hisec, so Kaurous, Baaldor and Jenn a'Side there you go proof what I said.


Of course the falloff in numbers was from highsec. That was where the vast majority of the ISBoxer cheaters operated.

I'm just curious as to why you think that mandates some emergency PvE mission work, besides fitting your nonsense narrative anyway. Meanwhile, some guy is whelping a hundred+ newbies into T3s in Amarr and they're having a ball. Turns out that people come to this game for the conflict that the game is literally sold on. Idk about the rest of you guys, but I didn't see a lot of asteroid mining or shooting red crosses in the This Is EVE video.


Quote:

EVE is losing a lot of people in hisec so CCP needs to do some challenging group play stuff in hisec fast


Citation needed for the conclusion that you pulled out of your exhaust port.

Hey! There is one miner in that video! Apologize! Evil

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#2088 - 2015-07-15 11:54:20 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I was listening to Fozzie on EN24 saying that the fall off in numbers was from hisec, so Kaurous, Baaldor and Jenn a'Side there you go proof what I said.


Of course the falloff in numbers was from highsec. That was where the vast majority of the ISBoxer cheaters operated.

I'm just curious as to why you think that mandates some emergency PvE mission work, besides fitting your nonsense narrative anyway. Meanwhile, some guy is whelping a hundred+ newbies into T3s in Amarr and they're having a ball. Turns out that people come to this game for the conflict that the game is literally sold on. Idk about the rest of you guys, but I didn't see a lot of asteroid mining or shooting red crosses in the This Is EVE video.


Quote:

EVE is losing a lot of people in hisec so CCP needs to do some challenging group play stuff in hisec fast


Citation needed for the conclusion that you pulled out of your exhaust port.

Hey! There is one miner in that video! Apologize! Evil


Damn you beat me to it!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2089 - 2015-07-15 11:56:51 UTC
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Of course the falloff in numbers was from highsec. That was where the vast majority of the ISBoxer cheaters operated.





I´m kinda confused, there has been lots of talk about banning multiboxers and what not some months ago, as a reason for dropping PCU numbers in http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility, but seems to me drop has continued even after those measures were taken, steadily about 1K in every couple weeks...

Also, summer has been offered as an explanation on dropping numbers, but holidays have started in June (especially for students) at most of Europe already, and still month later PCU numbers are dropping....

I know there are no holidays from work in USA, has something happened in Russia?


I opened it up to "All" for PCU count, and if you discount a few thousand logged in as ISBoxer losses(which is not a bad thing), it looks about the same as it does every summer, steady drops in PCU until late August. Between that and the mass of people who stopped playing from Phoebe(many of whom likely dropped their sub or are playing Skill Queue to wait and see how Fozzie sov turns out), it looks about right to me.

Hell, mid July is a low point for the last five years running. People just play less in the summer.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#2090 - 2015-07-15 11:58:18 UTC
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Of course the falloff in numbers was from highsec. That was where the vast majority of the ISBoxer cheaters operated.





I´m kinda confused, there has been lots of talk about banning multiboxers and what not some months ago, as a reason for dropping PCU numbers in http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility, but seems to me drop has continued even after those measures were taken, steadily about 1K in every couple weeks...

Also, summer has been offered as an explanation on dropping numbers, but holidays have started in June (especially for students) at most of Europe already, and still month later PCU numbers are dropping....

I know there are no holidays from work in USA, has something happened in Russia?


Don't be confused. It has a little to do with ISBoxer, but most of the lost players are just gone because of stale content and changes which would never apply to them. Fozziesov does nothing for the FW low-sec, it hurts the WH pvp corps and does nothing for the High-Sec pvp and pve alike.

And Summer is no excuse, I believe October is historically our worst month... so if you think it is bad now, just wait 90 days.

No it is quite clear from CCP that it had nothing to do with "waiting on fozzie changes" and more to do with a fleeing player base.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#2091 - 2015-07-15 12:00:03 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Of course the falloff in numbers was from highsec. That was where the vast majority of the ISBoxer cheaters operated.





I´m kinda confused, there has been lots of talk about banning multiboxers and what not some months ago, as a reason for dropping PCU numbers in http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility, but seems to me drop has continued even after those measures were taken, steadily about 1K in every couple weeks...

Also, summer has been offered as an explanation on dropping numbers, but holidays have started in June (especially for students) at most of Europe already, and still month later PCU numbers are dropping....

I know there are no holidays from work in USA, has something happened in Russia?


I opened it up to "All" for PCU count, and if you discount a few thousand logged in as ISBoxer losses(which is not a bad thing), it looks about the same as it does every summer, steady drops in PCU until late August. Between that and the mass of people who stopped playing from Phoebe(many of whom likely dropped their sub or are playing Skill Queue to wait and see how Fozzie sov turns out), it looks about right to me.

Hell, mid July is a low point for the last five years running. People just play less in the summer.



Learn to read graphs. October has been and always will be our lowest average number month... or in the case of ONE year, our second lowest. July, is never pretty, but not the lowest.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Maria Kalista
Splinter Foundation
#2092 - 2015-07-15 12:00:46 UTC
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Of course the falloff in numbers was from highsec. That was where the vast majority of the ISBoxer cheaters operated.





Also, summer has been offered as an explanation on dropping numbers, but holidays have started in June (especially for students) at most of Europe already, and still month later PCU numbers are dropping....



That's every single year the case.
And when winter comes it's blamed on the winter.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2093 - 2015-07-15 12:02:16 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
July, is never pretty, but not the lowest.


Learn to articles of speech.

A low point.

Not the low point.

I mentioned July because that's what month it is right now.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#2094 - 2015-07-15 12:02:39 UTC
If you check eve-marketdata you will see that number of sell orders in all 3 main market hubs droped significantly during last few weeks. It is not the summer. Eve is dying cause PvP ppl refuse to understand, that PvE is very much valid gameplay for newbees. Newbees got frustrated by getting forced into PvP when they do not want it, so they do not develop to the point, when they want PvP and quit. Old PvP freaks have less targets to shot and quit too.

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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2095 - 2015-07-15 12:03:20 UTC
Lol now I see good points from both of you, both could equally be true as a reason for dropping numbers, but a bit controversal (unless both ate equally away online numbers)...

Even more confused now Lol
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#2096 - 2015-07-15 12:05:39 UTC
Maria Kalista wrote:
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Of course the falloff in numbers was from highsec. That was where the vast majority of the ISBoxer cheaters operated.





Also, summer has been offered as an explanation on dropping numbers, but holidays have started in June (especially for students) at most of Europe already, and still month later PCU numbers are dropping....



That's every single year the case.
And when winter comes it's blamed on the winter.




THIS

In the summer, its all the kids are out of school and people are outside. In the Winter it is Christmas is coming and everyone is on holiday.

In the end, we get a summer lul, and a rise around Aug/Sep followed by an Oct/Nov nose dive. Mar/Apr are the strong months, except this year.

None of the history is really all that clear because we are looking at MOST years as being an increase year over year, so October being lower than spring is masked a bit by overall increasing numbers.

This year October is going to look like Moses leaving Egypt... the numbers are already on the way down heavily and will be exacerbated.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2097 - 2015-07-15 12:07:01 UTC
erg cz wrote:
If you check eve-marketdata you will see that number of sell orders in all 3 main market hubs droped significantly during last few weeks.


That couldn't be anything else, of course. Nothing about the lead up to the sov changes or anything like that. Roll



Quote:
Eve is dying cause PvP ppl refuse to understand, that PvE is very much valid gameplay for newbees. Newbees got frustrated by getting forced into PvP when they do not want it, so they do not develop to the point, when they want PvP and quit. Old PvP freaks have less targets to shot and quit too.


Please tell me more about how your specific niche is what will save the game from a market order lull. Make sure to add in something to try and contradict that CCP themselves have outright said that new players who are "forced into PvP" are more likely to resub than any other demographic.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Fugly Isktaker
Doomheim
#2098 - 2015-07-15 12:08:41 UTC
It's kind of hard to attract and retain players with an offer of "You'll either get lied to or killed, it will happen repeatedly, and when you're sick of it you can log off and never come back". I've played since 2007, it's become much worse for that recently. Scams used to be fun distractions, now they're basically the only thing left for new people to do.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#2099 - 2015-07-15 12:08:52 UTC
erg cz wrote:
If you check eve-marketdata you will see that number of sell orders in all 3 main market hubs droped significantly during last few weeks. It is not the summer. Eve is dying cause PvP ppl refuse to understand, that PvE is very much valid gameplay for newbees. Newbees got frustrated by getting forced into PvP when they do not want it, so they do not develop to the point, when they want PvP and quit. Old PvP freaks have less targets to shot and quit too.



100% accurate. PVP hardcores need to realize that they need PVE players, and PVE players need to realize that they need someone to destroy things to create demand.

It is supposed to be a balanced economic system. Some build, some destroy, some play middleman. More have to build than destroy because it takes more time and resources to build than supply.

It isn't a question of "EVE IS A PVP GAME" and "EVE IS FOR PVE"... it is "EVE IS FOR PLAYERS TO COEXIST AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER THROUGH INDUSTRY AND DESTRUCTION"

Some people don't get that and want Eve to be World of Spaceships™

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2100 - 2015-07-15 12:10:53 UTC
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:
Lol now I see good points from both of you, both could equally be true as a reason for dropping numbers, but a bit controversal (unless both ate equally away online numbers)...

Even more confused now Lol


They functionally banned the gameplay of several thousand accounts, at least. Whether you agree with the changes or not, all those accounts are now by and large worthless to the people who previously kept them subbed. The majority of them quit. That's not my opinion.

Some people would like you to believe that the player count drop has NOTHING to do with this fact that thousands of accounts were functionally banned, but instead how CCP doesn't kiss ass enough to the carebears.

It beggars belief.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.