Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Recon ships were among the least used in Eve, not seeing lots of them only a few days after the uber buff doesn't prove anything. All I'm saying is that if you can't trust the D-Scan sometimes, you can't trust it period. This change is hostile to newbies. I'm sure you would like more people taking the plunge and roam around low sec, but this change makes it even more difficult for them to feel inclined to do so.

Before Rapier and Falcon manage to decloak I'll kill atleast one bomber or warp off.
I must also add that I have abused recon dscan immunity in lowsec inside a medium complex and got quite a few kills. It was quite funny when people were warping in not knowing that there are a few sensor boosted recons inside.

If you are abusing the same tactic you probably think that it's really amazing because you get many kills. It's not

There's a difference between a good conflict driver and a gimmick.

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games changed change with it fit probes use that mobile depo or get a friend


don't go into a med plex w/o a scout or scanning


or tbh i feel combat recons should be removed from med plexes overall but the d-scan immunity i have found to be pretty good in WH i have gotten fights when i thought i was just getting a venture kill

I'm really not seeing where a cloaked recon wasn't capable of doing the exact same thing before.

And what, combat recons don't appear until they're out of warp?

E: also, if you're waiting on the dev team to supply data, how can you say your claims all came true?

Celestia, you are obviously passionate about this, but you're not really thinking about the realities of how a Force Recon can be used.

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A Combat recon warps in, is visible for several seconds as it comes out of warp, and then can commence to maneuver and target from a dead stop.
When warping in a Combat Recon must also take in the situation and react appropriately within a few seconds.


A Force Recon can warp in and maneuver to their desired position and maintain their desired speed while doing so, decloak, and target in pretty close to the same amount of time from when they become visible as it takes for other ships to come out of warp and do the same.
They are also at liberty to make part of their maneuvers include closing for a bump at speed to ensure that their target cannot easily align and jump out.
When warping in a Force Recon has all the time in the world to assess the situation, place himself appropriately, call in back-up, leave, etc, before he decloaks and commits to the attack.

These are all powerful advantages a cloaking Force Recon has over a Combat Recon when warping in on a target, advantages that can easily be leveraged with practice and experience.


As to your assertion that Combat Recons are dangerous because they can lie in wait inside a plex, after due consideration I will agree that this is true. In the only situation that I can think of where a ship cannot cloak, and a target will always drop out of warp in a set place, a Combat Recon does have an advantage over a Force Recon.

However, you have to admit that it's a pretty big leap to take from "we need a small tweak in this one small area of the game" to "the entire class is now unbalanced and this special ability is far too powerful".

That's a pretty simple tweak ask for, to disallow them from Faction Warfare plexes... ship restrictions are common in that mechanic as it is.

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I shouldn't need to point this out, but confused people repeating the same misinformation doesn't make it any more valid... and a single minor flaw does not necessitate sweeping revision.

CCP's design philosophy has always been to observe closely what the player base does with a changed game mechanic and make adjustments appropriately. In fact the desire to enact needed tweaks in a more timely manner was one of the driving forces behind the shorter development cycle they are now following.

So if you wish to campaign for Combat Recons to be restricted from Faction Warfare Plexes, I'd be pleased to raise my voice with yours. However if you're attempting to portray the "invisibility to D-scan" ability as something which is vastly overpowered, especially in comparison to their cloak capable cousins, I'm afraid I'm going to have to firmly disagree.

You can argue all the this and thats you want to. I'm flat out telling you - it's been great in wh space w/ no local and no d-scan. In the past we would have to do some planning, maybe make a bm between a POS and a site to warp a dictor to or some other up front work. Now we find them, hop in and kill them. We do it every night. It is easier.

The sad part is, they are weaker than other ships we've used in the past. That results in us dog piling a larger number of recons on a given gank. We do this to keep the dps high. We've come close to losing the odd recon to sleepers. To compensate, we try to bring more to damage tank the whole situation. We're posting some extra lopsided kills because of this.

Our new term for ganking someone w/ recons is 'snack'. Usage: 'we grabbed a quick proteus snack in C3a' Term is copyrighted by Rahmiro, so send isk to him if you use it.

You don't know wormholers. We aren't going anywhere and well stuff not showing on DScan? what else is new? Seriously DScan imune makes the lest difference to wormhole corps, if they are not dirty farmers that is.