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[Proteus - January] Recon ships

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Lug Muad'Dib
Funk'in Hole
#2301 - 2015-01-14 22:22:41 UTC
stupid as intended.. Roll
Lvzbel Ixtab
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#2302 - 2015-01-15 00:18:34 UTC
Thorin Matarielle
Order of Garrulor
#2303 - 2015-01-15 00:46:49 UTC
Bienator II wrote:



They were looking for gank. Ran away of our 2 cruisers. Then we follow them to the next system. They ran again. As much as i like Recons i have to say, i dont like this feature.
Dani Maulerant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2304 - 2015-01-15 00:46:52 UTC
At this point, how about we just use this thread now to post the KM's or at least name characters known to pull this BS, killing solo/FW, and all us sensible people can then add them to a 'dont-warp-to--any-plex-if-in-local' listing.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#2305 - 2015-01-15 00:49:37 UTC


How is it any different if they had a Falcon? Or any other cloaked ship?

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Dani Maulerant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2306 - 2015-01-15 00:54:42 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:


How is it any different if they had a Falcon? Or any other cloaked ship?


Cloak hulls have a targeting delay. D-scan immune are inta-lock soon as you make visual contact with it.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#2307 - 2015-01-15 01:01:30 UTC
Dani Maulerant wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:


How is it any different if they had a Falcon? Or any other cloaked ship?


Cloak hulls have a targeting delay. D-scan immune are inta-lock soon as you make visual contact with it.


He's using a Curse and a Dragoon. Presumably these poor souls are warping in thinking they will be fighting just a Dragoon. When they land, there is also a Curse there. Still not much different if he had any other cloaked ship present.

As for the lack of decloaking delay - he could achieve the same effect by decloaking the cloaky as soon as you appear on close d-scan. By the time you land, the cloaking delay would be gone.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Thorin Matarielle
Order of Garrulor
#2308 - 2015-01-15 02:06:31 UTC
Dani Maulerant wrote:
At this point, how about we just use this thread now to post the KM's or at least name characters known to pull this BS, killing solo/FW, and all us sensible people can then add them to a 'dont-warp-to--any-plex-if-in-local' listing.



Pretty much everone does this... I cant mark half of lowsec becuse he did it once or twice. :) This is just lame and I dont say this because i died to them (not yet at least) but they are using a cruiser as bait and 4 recons sitting next to it. If you decide to go in and do a nice cruiser brawl...well...just dont do it.

http://i.imgur.com/eLQUuWo.png
^^
Caracal in medium. RIP Brave cruiser pilots. And as I've said earlier, we wanted to go in with two cruisers and they ran away saying: thats too much we cant fight those.

SlavaKing << this nerd and his friends cant recall their names. Guess this is his only way to whore on some kills.

As one of my friend have said this today:

I can imagine the CCP game design meeting
"what if we take the falcon, make it stronger and remove it from dscan"
"LETS DO IT"



These changes are killing solo pvp and im kinda disappointed to see that...
Dani Maulerant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2309 - 2015-01-15 03:57:47 UTC
Thorin Matarielle wrote:


Pretty much everone does this... I cant mark half of lowsec becuse he did it once or twice. :) This is just lame and I dont say this because i died to them (not yet at least) but they are using a cruiser as bait and 4 recons sitting next to it. If you decide to go in and do a nice cruiser brawl...well...just dont do it.

http://i.imgur.com/eLQUuWo.png
^^
Caracal in medium. RIP Brave cruiser pilots. And as I've said earlier, we wanted to go in with two cruisers and they ran away saying: thats too much we cant fight those.

SlavaKing << this nerd and his friends cant recall their names. Guess this is his only way to ***** on some kills.

As one of my friend have said this today:

I can imagine the CCP game design meeting
"what if we take the falcon, make it stronger and remove it from dscan"
"LETS DO IT"



These changes are killing solo pvp and im kinda disappointed to see that...


FW already has a major problem of people rarely bringing out anything larger than frigs/dessies on repeat, and this sort of thing just really hammers it more securely in that novices and smalls look more appealing with the added fact of these recons can't enter. Sad to see it be this way, and now staying this way a while longer is even sadder.
Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
#2310 - 2015-01-15 05:25:27 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Dani Maulerant wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:


How is it any different if they had a Falcon? Or any other cloaked ship?


Cloak hulls have a targeting delay. D-scan immune are inta-lock soon as you make visual contact with it.


He's using a Curse and a Dragoon. Presumably these poor souls are warping in thinking they will be fighting just a Dragoon. When they land, there is also a Curse there. Still not much different if he had any other cloaked ship present.

As for the lack of decloaking delay - he could achieve the same effect by decloaking the cloaky as soon as you appear on close d-scan. By the time you land, the cloaking delay would be gone.



you cant cloak in a plex anymore. It use to be really fun to sit in plex and kill things with cloakies
Celestia Via
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#2311 - 2015-01-15 07:57:57 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:

How is it any different if they had a Falcon? Or any other cloaked ship?


Perhaps not very different in this case, I guess any cloaked one could take a cheap fitted t1 cruiser trying to solo a FW plex.

VERY different when talking about Wspace. Major differences are:

If you dscan like a maniac (as you should) you can always catch the cloakies when entering the system, at the split second they decloak-recloak at the entrance and avoid the fight alltogether.

Cloaked recons do not have the same combat potential as their dscan immune cousins and are not a real match for any sleeper fitted T3 cruiser. Or maybe they are a match when skillfuly used but you wouldn't call it an easy kill.
So, even when you risk taking on an anomaly outside of the entrances scan range you just took the risk of fighting the occasional Pilgrim who was brave enough to take you on. In most cases and with the help of sleeper site mechanics, I would manage to blow
up these brave souls even before their reinforcements could land on site.

Note of interest : The cloaked ones come first in an attempt to catch me unawares, if they all try to land on me at once d-scan will inform me of it. Well, NOT ANYMORE since we can now have whole fleets of dscan immune "bastards" (:P) coming and going as they please and ganking people silly.

I said it before and I'll say it again (and again and again) : This stupidly unfair immunity does not even give people (targets) a chance to defend themselves. I am not the kind of person to nag in the forums about this and that, but this is an exception.
It will kill solo plexing and smalltime WH activity, and unless thats what is intended please consider taking it back, we will all agree it was a bad dream of sorts.

"We marched for days and nights, under sun, in the rain. Our minds and bodies ached for rest, but in our hearts there was nothing but the fight."

Orange Faeces
Farbissina Industrial and Procurement
#2312 - 2015-01-15 08:40:25 UTC


I want you to post all your losses to Combat Recons in this thread. All of you. Lets get this thread up to 400 pages so we can have a one-stop shop for your tears. Post them all.


O. Faeces
Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#2313 - 2015-01-15 08:51:14 UTC
From the posted KMs, CCP can conclude that the rebalancing is a complete success! Prior to proteus you hardly see any Combat Recons. You see them much more often nowadays. Soon pilots will learn about it and there will be glorious combat recons loss mails. I know at least one of our corpmates already lost his combat recon.

GJ CCP! Loves the Recon rebalance..
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#2314 - 2015-01-15 09:13:50 UTC
Ciba Lexlulu wrote:
GJ CCP! Loves the Recon rebalance..

They want to made them proper small gang/fleet vessels, what we got is gank mobile in FW, make sense...

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Faren Shalni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2315 - 2015-01-15 10:18:59 UTC
Dont worry it wont take long for CCP to not allow Recons into medium Plex's........ There for applying another stupid exception to cover up their poor decision.

So Much Space

Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#2316 - 2015-01-15 11:32:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
FT Diomedes wrote:
He's using a Curse and a Dragoon. Presumably these poor souls are warping in thinking they will be fighting just a Dragoon. When they land, there is also a Curse there. Still not much different if he had any other cloaked ship present.

As for the lack of decloaking delay - he could achieve the same effect by decloaking the cloaky as soon as you appear on close d-scan. By the time you land, the cloaking delay would be gone.



On top of all that it's in Tama and they're both of the came corp and part of an alliance that effectively has shares in the local pod industry. So you'd have to be REALLY MORONICALLY STUPID to think that would be a good plan.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#2317 - 2015-01-15 15:45:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Soldarius
36. Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited.

ISDs are from what I've seen a little bit flexible and tolerant on this rule. But if you turn this thread into a kill report thread, I guarantee bad things will happen.

This is not in any way an endorsement of the d-scan immunity of Combat Recons. I'm rather neutral on it tbh.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Nyjil Lizaru
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#2318 - 2015-01-15 16:10:41 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:


How is it any different if they had a Falcon? Or any other cloaked ship?


I keep seeing this question from characters who should be old enough to understand and I ask myself: troll or truly ignorant?

If you don't understand how a cloak is different from d-scan immunity, you might want to spend a bit more time investigating, reading and thinking before wasting electrons with such willful badposting.

If you're trolling, then carry on.

Nyjil's corollary to Malcanis' Law:   "Any attempt by CCP to smooth the learning curve of EVE Online will be carried out via the addition of extra factors and 'features' such that there is a net increase in complexity."

Lug Muad'Dib
Funk'in Hole
#2319 - 2015-01-15 16:53:29 UTC
Orange Faeces wrote:


I want you to post all your losses to Combat Recons in this thread. All of you. Lets get this thread up to 400 pages so we can have a one-stop shop for your tears. Post them all.


O. Faeces


Personnaly i use scouts so since update i just kill one curse, no loose. I ask my corpmates to never go in med plex already open that did'nt been scout. But it's so boring that for now i'm back playing to CK2.. will see later.

Anyway FW 's local is full of "lol hookbill in med with 2 suspect in local", as intended people avoid fight, what a good mechanic..
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2320 - 2015-01-15 17:25:14 UTC
Nyjil Lizaru wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:


How is it any different if they had a Falcon? Or any other cloaked ship?


I keep seeing this question from characters who should be old enough to understand and I ask myself: troll or truly ignorant?

If you don't understand how a cloak is different from d-scan immunity, you might want to spend a bit more time investigating, reading and thinking before wasting electrons with such willful badposting.

If you're trolling, then carry on.


If they weren't using the dragoon for the actual tackle, you might have a point. Decloaking delay is irrelevant if that ship is not the one holding tackle. This doesnt take a rocket scientist as the dragoon is doing way more damage (drones unassistable intially as they show on dscan).

Also a dragoon would crap all over half those ships on its own anyway.

And lastly, there's NOTHING stopping a half dozen recons warping into that plex and chewing out the other two ships. Door goes both ways.